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Yes, but maybe, but also, not always and no.

It was basically a filibuster.

I think modern NSR games are far, far more creative than the games of the TSR era. The community has gotten far better at designing games.

Agreed, it can definitely fall on the GM as well. Selling people on a game is not just a matter of “hey, let’s play this game.” As a simple example, I’ve played Monopoly before but if I hadn’t and someone said let’s play it, I wouldn’t realize that game might take MANY HOURS longer than say, Clue.

I don’t see in-house vs 3PP as either a good thing or a bad thing, and my point was in-house didn’t necessarily lead to greater quality. It certainly didn’t rise to a higher level simply because it was in-house.

One other thing that I take exception to: I disagree that D&D in the TSR era was more creative or rather that because what creativity that occurred in-house was somehow better than today’s model of 5e with 3PP support. The idea that playtesting is a thing that occurs at all is relatively new but...

It came up last night for us during our Mothership game. One of the players said “I just realized that I’m not meeting this game on its terms, I’m trying to force it to play on my terms and I think i need to change my mindset.” This applies just as much to someone who’s angry that White Plume...

IMO, this is the space that magic items fill. A fighter is a fighter is a fighter in these editions. THAC0 improved, AC went down but the differentiators were the magic items, which coincidentally was the reason you went into dungeons.

Ben Milton aka Questing Beast is probably the worst for this mainly because he doesn’t realize when his opinions that he considers “non-political” become grist for the mill amongst the same problematic individuals.

And this is the problem with the OSR space, unfortunately. A few good posts about the game and then you find a bonanza of excrement. It's why I have a lot of trouble engaging with that community. Not enough people speaking out about it to make it seem like that's not accepted.

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Sure. I think it’s been fairly incremental.

Mmm.

Ya know, for someone who started (and ditched) a whole thread about conservativism in gaming, that’s quite a post.

Is it really worth getting right?

And this is why AI as a general term for what’s happening now is next to useless.

I see 5e as basically a less complex 3e. 2e was just a refinement of 1e but going back to what I said about popularity vs innovation, I’ll take 2e all day long over 1e.

Zero arguments there. And again my overall point with this is that there appears to be a limit to how creative one can be within WotC, and once that that limit is reached, it’s time to go elsewhere. To me, that’s not indicative of an innovative company.

That’s the definition of innovation. Maybe not entirely, but it has to substantive.