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I have recently read that there is a question as to whether rogues are even required in adventuring parties anymore. Perhaps they can be tweaked to fill the non-armored swashbuckling fighter type role in some way? Sort of like make them more effective in melee with light weapons, but tone down...

Ah! Thanks for posting all that for my slow self. I now understand what you are trying to say much better. And yes, I agree now with how you define half-orcs as "boring" in the way that the game doesn't really give them any "hook" other than that +2 to STR. Hopefully, some people will use...

Ha! Well, just because it's possible doesn't mean that it would be fun in the long run. The key term I used was "role-playable". I guess I was thinking of the times when I, as DM, enjoyed roleplaying a peasant who had a great personality. Of course, I didn't have to live with that character...

The SRD says that the target for Enlarge is "One humanoid creature", a ogre wouldn't qualift for that? I don't even see a size limit for the spell either. And I dunno, if I can free of the main spellcaster's slots by taking the boring Detect and utility spells, why not? Especially at lows...

?! Whoa. Where did this come from ? What hate? I'm sorry if I came across as hateful, but that was definately not my intention. I even threw a couple of smileys in there and everything. Ask anyone who knows me, I am pretty happy-go-lucky guy. I thought we were having a friendly...

Not for nothing, but I think you are overreacting to the extra -2 orcs get. Just pretend that the final adjusted stats weren't point buy and that they were rolled that way. Would you say that a party that rolled it's stats (instead of point buy) is unbalanced and unplayable because some...

Ha. I meant that a half-orc is better than a half-ogre with LA and max stat limits imposed on it. Just curious, if what you are looking for is a character that is a strong as possible, why is the half-orc so terrible? I see more people taking them as a race than, say, gnomes. There's gotta...

If you do that, what's the sense of even taking a half-ogre? I would think anyone taking one is doing it because he is getting above normal starting stats. I know that's one of the biggest reasons I am thinking about it. Otherwise, just give me the half-orc.

I figured his DD STR bonuses would make up for this. Especially at the 10th level DD payoff. (Of course it's long wait until then.) Besides, I am looking forward to the other DD benefits as well. You make it sound like the level of Sorcerer will be totally useless. I can think of several...

The Shield of Faith spell has language that makes this kind of calculation clearer: ~~~~~~~~~~~ ... The spell grants the subject a +2 deflection bonus to AC, with an additional +1 to the bonus for every six levels you have (maximum +5 deflection bonus at 18th level). ~~~~~~~~~~~ The key is the...

TO: jgsugden and Scion Since you two are on opposite camps, and both seem real knowledgeable in this, can you do me a favor? Build me a quick PC based on the rules I posted a little while back. Scion, you make him an orc. jgsugden, you make him a half-ogre. If you guys agree, it could be...

Note I listed two other race choices, orc and half-orc. I am leaning towards a straight orc at this point.

In order to make the lives of the number-crunchers among you any easier...here are the beginnings of what I have in mind at this point: 4th level character, 32 point buy. Classes: Barbarian1/Sorcerer1 (or Bard1)/Dragon Disciple 2 (or 1, depending on race) Race: half-orc or orc or half-ogre...

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If all this were core, I would say you just built my new PC right there... :cool:

You know, I usually play spellcasters so usually I would never consider taking a race that makes you "lose" levels. Now that I am thinking of taking a break from spellcasters with this character, I am feeling less restricted and figuring, what the heck, the STR benefits alone would offet...

Say, can someone briefly described what "Roll With It" is? I am curious.

I agree Scion, which is why I sent my DM this thread.

Lots of great ideas, thanks guys. I really like the 1 level of sorcerer idea so I am not reliant on anyone for my Enlarges. Plus True Strike and Shield never hurt either. Half-ogre sounds great! If my DM allows it. See next paragraph... jgsugden, I hear you. In fact, I just sent this...

Ah. Gotcha. Thanks! Looks like my best options so far are a gnoll (ECL 3) or a bugbear (ECL 4). With access to an Enlarge spell, I may still get to close to what I want.