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It's almost like marketing and public perception are two different things. :unsure:

For a second I thought this was a McDowell's reference. Or maybe it is and the sesame seed joke is reversed.

Meeeeeeh. The Monk has been alright, it's biggest constraint was locking so many good things behind ki, which it never had enough of. My way around that was just adding one's proficiency bonus to their ki pool. I will say the Fizban model for monks was interesting, though I really think each...

I just think they're likely overstating how compatible things will remain over time. I suppose I see it more as marketing pitch than lie, with the move over time likely to be towards designs that fit the original less and less... classwise, that is. I don't think this really applies to the...

I don't think it was as much an argument was about compatibility as much as what it entailed to say you could use both, as well as if you thought it was a good idea. Some did, some didn't. But let's leave the argument in the closed topics.

I'll be honest, I really cared less about how the idea of it being an edition change or not as much as I disagreed with the notion that it would be less confusing to not change. Apparently heels got dug on on the topic and everyone decided that it was suddenly a maximalist position of sorts...

When you say someone is making a mistake, it doesn't necessarily mean it's a disaster. It's just that you think they're making a mistake. People equate too many critiques as being maximalist when they really aren't.

No, they are going to be arguing why they can't have what they feel is the better version of the Fireball spell because you let two of them exist because one is overpowered (As mentioned by the authors themselves) and the newly balanced one is, well, obviously worse because it is balanced...

I missed this, but I think most of us are onboard with something like PF2.25E as a reference, tbh. Actually, I think it's kind of interesting to see the differences in the communities. PF2 people seems pretty damn jazzed about the idea of basically putting in a bunch of changes (or "errata", as...

Then why do it in a roundabout way that only really creates confusion? It just creates the same environment as an edition change without the clarity. I don't see an issue with an edition change! It feels a lot more manageable for people and more honest, and just better in general for design...

You should maintain the seasonal theming and go with Winter Wolf.

Nah, Pathfinder already has it all over snow leopards. They even have a pirate version with an eyepatch! That. Is. Not. A. REVISION. That is an alternative. Revisions replace things. That's how that works. I don't know how to explain this more simply: alternative rules are not "revisions"...

No, it doesn't revise, it adds. You can add things from Tasha's. That is not meant to be a revision. I can use the Optional Class Features if I like because they are not revisions but optional class features. The new PHB is not the same. It is not the "Optional Player's Handbook", it's the new...

That's not the same has having two competing Rogues, though. Adding new classes is not the same as having two versions of one thing at the same time. No, my problem is that I think it divides the community in worse ways than an edition change, as well as making development for a game much more...

That's great that you don't think so! I disagree. It's different to have two different versions of the PHB out there with two sets of classes with identical names but difference balances. It will absolutely cause confusion. You're going to get people arguing about which class in which PHB is...

Oh, sure, mixing the rules would absolutely get wonky. But the adventures are not really the rules, and they generally don't have ultra-specific interactions with the rules like that. At least, not to my knowledge.

This entire argument works the other way, where if a group wants to do that, they can just ignore the edition change and add it in. The difference is that in an edition change, the group doesn't need to talk about what they want to resolve which kinds of classes they are using: they are just...

I think divisions around editions come out of what is being changed and how much it is being changed. If 1D&D was an "edition change", I don't think it would garner as much blowback as others because it's very much built on 5E. And I don't think people will automatically assume 6E will be not...

Just want to give congrats to @The-Magic-Sword for getting a shoutout from one of the big PF2 YouTubers, NoNat1s!