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Interesting that I never listed bards in my question. And how do you imagine clerics and paladins inspiring their allies? I see no warlord-esque abilities on their class features list. But lets refine the question to give you less wiggle room to dodge: Are you saying a barbarian, druid, monk...

I guess. I could see wonderous applications for such magic. Though it seems an odd feature to create just to fixate on for your purposes. Agreed. Of course. Are there? Do "they"? And what does that have to do with anything? I confess to being unsure whether you accidentally quoted me or not...

M) All of the above

Odd that, for whatever reason, you seem to be describing the difference in a divisive/derrogatory way. Why is that? I would contend: Your bug, most peoples' feature. The reason I find it somewhat perplexing to view it in the way you do, is that you seem to be efforting to strip magic of...

He can do those things? That's news to me. More new news. So quit trying to force a warlord into one? Neither is being inspirational or a leader. Neither is being inspirational or a leader. Neither is being inspirational or a leader. Neither is being inspirational or a leader. Says you...

No. I'm saying that such a thing should not be relegated to a class. Because in the real world, as shown in these sports team examples, most players would be a warlord because they largely all have the ability to inspire their teammates. Speaking of putting words in other people's mouth... Are...

Uh, correct? Not sure what you are fishing for. I can't make you see the differences. Awesome. Then any character can already "warlord". No need for a class. Crisis averted.

Okay? But not really relevant to the claim you originally made. Aldarc stated: "The low-level BM can tell the high-level champion how to fight better." You then added: "And a level 1 cleric can give divine guidance to a level 20 paladin who is so holy that he sprouted angle wings." Those are...

No it didn't. Or, if that was your intent, it failed. At least as I read it. Wow. Do you talk like this in real life? And no it wasn't. It was a ham-handed attempt to justify a made-up class, via a flimsy sports analogy, because teams have a "leader". To which, I've since shown the analogy to...

Clearly. Did you read the part I responded to? Because it had nothing to do with the rest of your response just now (which is why I cut it out of your quote here). What you originally said, in efforts to bring into question how a low level bard can magically inspire a high level paladin, was...

Here you go.

Well good thing you are only speaking for yourself. But please quit trying to claim no one ever reluctantly accepts a warlord's benefits (in spite of having RP reasons to do otherwise) because maybe they are trying to be nice and let the warlord player have his fun at the expense of some of...

Another great revelation! Well said.

You can't know that. Unless you can read minds. And you cannot. So you cannot.

This is a brilliant turn around. Think about it for a sec. It'll sink in.

Agreed. Unfortunately that forces uncomfortable realizations in some and so thread derailment is a safer path than exploring the thread's premise.

It's a warlord issue because what you want in a warlord necessarily creates this damned-if-you-do-damned-if-you-dont situation. ...Mike then goes over and slits the orcs' throats himself. Not how healing magic works. You sure that's an example you want to use? More bad faith examples to...

Check out the 5e PHB. Its in there. The only explanation for the above statement is that you clearly do not understand what "agency" means. And again, if magic and mundane are exactly the same thing by your measure, then warlords do cast charm person. They inspire and lead their allies. Sounds...

I find this hard to believe. This is the part where you keep missing the fact that you are asking for more than 5e ever intended. At least as far as the devs (you know, the ones who wrote the system) are concerned. You (and others) have been challenged repeatedly to present a set of...

There it is again. Cleric isn't a "support class". Because there are no "support classes".