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I have enjoyed my Deities and Demigods everyday that I've had it, thus far. Questions of utility relative to this book have been posed ever since it was unveiled that deities would be statted (and perhaps before?). My campaign's PCs are presently c. 10th character level. Direct encounters with...

Well, what I am arguing is that the dualistic pre-cosmogony (of Jazirian and Ahriman) of the Guide to Hell is a poor concept for a system like the Great Wheel, which assumes that all alignments are balanced. While the cause (the dualistic struggle) may be irrelevant to the future state of the...

Additionallly... Demons and devils seem best utilized when their quantitative advantages are balanced by their qualitative advantages (such as they are/would be) in respect to each other. Making the ruler of one of these races the supreme Adversary, in a campaign which uses both, polarizes...

What I am objecting to is the use of dualistic theology in a cosmology which purports to establish balance between the extremes of law, chaos, good, and evil. I am not objecting to your use of Jazirian/Ahriman from a theological context, but from a logical one. Sure, if you rigidly adhere to...

The "uniqueness" of the Blood War is perfectly compatible with it being illgical. ;) As JohnBrown pointed out with regard to the infinite nature of the Nine Hells, a "Blood War" is, well, Bloody ridiculous. He pointed out that the infinite nature of each layer of the Hells would seem to negate...

I am mainly interested in how the deities in D&Dg compare to the CC versions of the archfiends (which I haven't downloaded or used). Any take on this, Upper_Krust? Nonetheless, I feel that archdevils and demon princes should be comparable to deities in power, although in different ways. I...

Re: Another explaination It certainly is! Now, if I had the time, I'd apply your logic to the Blood War...probably one of the most fallacious concepts to come out of 2nd Editon AD&D.

Another negative residual effect of The Guide to Hell is the concept of "fallen celestials". I deplore what has happened to Baalzebul (see the MotP and read all about his new slug-like form), and I just hate the concept of Asmodeus being a fallen entity from Celestia or Elysium. Just needless...

I am thinking about running a single session in which I allow each of my players to construct demigods and undertake a quest for their respective deities (each from the Pharaonic, Asgardian, and Olympian pantheons), and all will be tied by alignment and/or portfolio similarities. Any ideas...

After running my campaign normally for a YEAR, my sorcerer player finally used a spell that required a significant material component, and when I informed him of the fact before the spell was cast, he asked: "Huh?! Since when does a sorcerer need material components?!" The strange thing is...he...

The only reason I'd want it is for the stats. But I'm not going to pay, what is it, 40$...? Forget it. I'll wait until my buddy buys it, and then photocopy em'.

Well, I didn't like the concept. It is based upon a confusion of Asmodeus with the "ultimate evil" of various real-world mythologies, such as Ahriman or Satan. I just don't understand the logic of making the ruler of the Nine Hells (or at least, the devils) the supreme progenitor of evil. I...

I'd have to agree. IMC, I've debated using a single extraplanar race of evil, demons (which I actually converted from another source), or using both demons and devils as detailed in the official products. If I were to do the latter, I would set up the individual archdevils and demon princes as...

Anyone test the Creature Catalog archdevil/demon lord stats against any of the deities? I wonder how Monte's versions of the archfiends will compare against deities... I really hope that "somewhere between the greatest of mortals and the least of the gods" doesn't mean that Kurtulmak, the...

I am currently statting Barry Manilow, and I personally feel that he could win in melee against either.

Feelings mutual concerning this issue. 2nd Edition ruined the concept of devils as a race. At least it could have left the devilish hierarchy intact. "Lords of the Nine"...:rolleyes:

I agree. But I think that all archdevils and demon princes should be at least demigod status, with lesser deity status (at least) ascribed to beings such as Asmodeus, Baalzebul, Mephistopheles, Orcus, etc.

While MotP is canon material, Legions of Hell hardly is. And besides, Chris Pramas wrote both Guide to Hell and Legions of Hell, so it comes as no surprise that the concept is included in the latter work. The MotP alludes to it as a "brutally repressed rumor" and ends with "Unless it is pure...

In EricNoah's forum... http://www.enworld.org/messageboards/showthread.php?s=&threadid=11267&pagenumber=5 Monte tells us that "none of the archfiends are deities". From this, we can deduce that Asmodeus (unless he is not defined as an archfiend!) will not be given the status ascribed to him in...

I haven't read Divine Spellcasting yet...I've been too enamored with the treatement of each deity :) Please explain how a deity casting 1st-9th level spells against another deity would be a problem? I would suppose overcoming SR is what is at issue?