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I bought the core so that my group could give 4e its chance. I will not be buying any further 4e books.

They're both stupid and things that I would rather not deal with. So no, there's no difference.

You brought it up first, but fine.

How is toilet humor not childish?

That's actually a pretty neat idea.

You lost a player in your 4e group; that sounds like a schism to me, even if he is still playing in your 3e games.

I'm curious. 4e seems to have polarized the community quite a bit, but I hear that 3e did the same - unfortunately, I was a bit too young to be paying attention to that kind of thing, so I have no idea as to the truth of these statements. Either way, I'm not really interested in having that...

Shorts are comfy and easy to wear?

Just going to clarify that Obryn missed my point.

...because it happens all the time. It sounds like a rather reasonable position to me. Again, we have wandered into opinion-land. Neither is vitriol, but hey, here we are.

We have now wandered into opinion-land. You think it is not; I think it is. And that's why I said it.

Man, the first few responses were full of carefully-concealed vitriol.

Do I personally? Perhaps... I'm currently in the midst of mulling that idea over. I imagine that my verdict will be a definite "no," but I think that a lower word count will probably play a part in indicating if something is "dumbed down" - a contributing factor, but not the deciding one...

I have no stake in this edition war. There are a number of folks - more on the 4e side, but they're on both - who will defend their chosen edition to the death, and engage in some pretty astounding feats of irrationality and passive-aggressiveness to do so. Sounds like a zealot to me. And...

I never claimed civility.

It is hostile. Thinly-veiled with what some would call "civility," perhaps, but hostile nonetheless.

I'm not really sure what this means, then, if this is OGC.

A very reasonable assessment. Call a spade a spade, yo. There are undoubtedly zealots on both sides. If you don't like the title, then don't act in accordance with it.

I guess not. You were being "civil," sure. If you like. Again, I didn't really see it that way, but fair enough.

Pot, kettle. So it's not okay and unreasonable for someone to hate on the 4e layout, but you can bash the 3e layout all you like?