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End of the day still pretty unimpressed and unconvinced about the proposed Paladin changes. As far as I'm concerned the LG only is one of the defining traits of the class which emphasizes its exclusive & elite status. Still, wait and see - can do nothing more.

Dude, if I have to sit down and re-write up the class before play, why am I going to pay a product that's of diminished use to me? The books aren't going to be discounted for us alignment using players. I mean I get that us alignment crowd are now a minority, but as it stands I feel we're being...

That's the Fighter-Knight who adheres to the chivalric ideal. What room then is left for the Paladin? The answer we're presented with so far it to grab 3E divine melee magic from the Cleric, give it exclusively to the Paladin, and give the Paladin stronger magic casting powers. Basically melee...

With the stated changes to Alignment and the Paladin I'm starting to wonder what exactly is going to be left? Will Alignment still be in the game without me having to purchase something to add it back in, it what form, which serves what purpose? What will the Paladin's identity look like...

I'm pretty gutted about loss of alignment. I'll wait and see but I've lost a chunk of interest.

Yep I think so. The spell-lists got a bit more exclusive-ized though.

Paladin got exclusive access to beefy 3E spells: 1st: Divine favour 2nd: Magic weapon (Wiz only gets this too) 4th: Divine power Makes them a bit of a power-house when buffed. Sweet!

I agree GameOgre. The key here is archetype, with suitable features matching the archetype. Trying to push the CG avenger into the square Paladin slot doesn't do either any favours. But then again what exactly does the CG avenger archetype look like? If anything is it treading on the Ranger's...

I wouldn't get hung up on the level 13 thing. By about level 9 onwards, every time the primary spell caster gets a new spell level it's just crazy as whoop as. Level 11 was pretty bad but you know, you just suck it up and have faith that relative balance is around the corner. Nup. Level 13 -...

The characters had similar stats, i.e. the Pal had a modified 20 something strength too. The stats were on par, no problem there. You're right, at level 13 there was this ridiculously pronounced difference of essentially a dead level (cha to LoHs? puhlease) and a primary spellcaster getting...

When I last played 3E, having reached 13th level my paladin received +1 bab and 7 hps. The Cleric received 3 7th level spells and 8 hps. Sorry dude, trimming your bonus spells from ability scores is the DM going light on you - Imo high level spell casters in 3E need more than that to keep the...

I wonder if as it comes from the fighter class it more represents the elite advance guard; medieval recon troops, mounted or on foot. Fast moving, hard hitting, but tends to avoid battles of attrition not least because they're supposed to actually deliver a report. I'd imagine they'd focus on...

I'm not sure about scout and I'm a bit leery of knight. Both these seem to be approaching Ranger & Paladin classes respectively, and also there is a bit of strangeness with the Guide and Knight backgrounds. Let's take the Knight for example. Now I can see that the word actually has a few...

I'm pretty happy with these directions. Starting wealth basically is story driven, which works for me. I never really liked the idea of 3E prestige classes being at the expense of the base class. Rather I liked the 2E kits where you opted for a variant. Part of that is captured by back grounds...

I seriously doubt that a 17th+ level Wizard is without enemies & rivals for long stretches of time. If they use their 1 9th level slot to acquire wealth - great, but being too often without the top spell & crippled spell-power has to register at some point when a covetous rival casts the...

If the discussion had been heated and came to blows, I'd allow bother ftr & rgr to roll init. If rgr wanted to throw a sucker punch out of proportion to the volume of the discussion I'd give them the chance to win surprise. Rogue otoh would need to give some reason to the DM to be included in...

I don't really buy this. They are using the commonly used descriptive word 'parry' so that the fighter player can simply say "I parry", and then roll some dice. The Paladin or Ranger by comparison can't use that narrative without causing enough confusion to learn not to utter that phrase...

Hear hear. I would like to be able to build a dex/cha/int witty musketeer Paladin for example, or a wis/str/con rugged survivalist ranger, or even an int/cha/str ambitious would-be mercenary company fighter commander. For this to happen I think the maths should assume a fairly modest primary...

It does look pretty good, true. However us non-rollers are getting a sweet deal with rounded up hps per level. Giving a feat option to legally allow what a lot of rollers want to do is seems fair enough - it is costing them a feat and there's no guarantee of outcome. It is presented first...

The 5E Monk is hardly what I'd consider MAD. Dex is a king stat with to-hit, dmg, init, AC & common saves and skills keyed to it. Str is fairly optional so Con bumps into Wis when competing for the 2nd & 3rd best stats. Int & Cha are nice but optional. Off the cuff I'd build allocate scores to...