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Or maybe it shouldn't be against a single monster with SR and practically nill (2 for a GWRD) touch AC?

Gather Information, bardic knowledge, and plain old asking 'So, I hear there's a dragon nearby, how's that working out for you?' in this particular case. At 15th level you may well be legendary characters yourselves (campaign dependant I know), sung of by bards as legends in your own time, but...

Scarey, huh? Yeah, but going 3D always gives me a headache on the map. Not the least of which is finding a die to determine random direction, that's what a D26 if you count all the permutations of 'down' too?

Or simply not be able to aim at the parts that aren't behind cover. I honestly doubt a GM's going to be ok with someone saying 'I aim for the back square' when there's 2-6 squares of monster in the way.

This is still after being crushed as the conditions are only met after the attack. He could easily have been on a 10' high pile of treasure. Unless you want to get 3D (and find a new die for random direction since the d8 no longer works), which could just as easily shunt you to a lower level...

Polymorph: I'll skip how you word this contingency for now and get to the part where you're already pinned, and are still treated as grappled no matter what your size changes to. Dimension Door: Unless you already know the layout of the dragon's lair this one's dangerous as you could be shunted...

The example given by the anti-orb side was 15th level mages killing a dragon 9 CR above them. I see no reason why in this already obscenely prejudicial example that the dragon be an oversized pinata.

Without Maximize Breath they both die anyway. Like I said the dragon crushes them. It's a simple matter of 'if you don't one shot the dragon you die at level 15'.

4th Orb of Acid Orb of Fire Orb of Force Orb of Electricity Orb of Sound 5th Easy Metamagic Empowered Orb of Acid Orb of Fire Orb of Force Orb of Electricity Orb of Sound 6th Easy Metamagic Empowered, Easy Metamagic Enervated Orb of Acid Orb of Fire Orb of Force Orb of Electricity Orb of Sound...

We might find it in the Rules Compendium!

There's always hiding small objects such as light weapons. If you've twinked the skill out (DC 50) you could take sheathed weapons from other people and hide them on yourself. I'm not sure this is entirely RAW, but I've used it in the past to fake peacebonding my weapons, running a shell game...

With True Strike it's still possible to hit the dragon, just much less likely to do so. BTW my take is that dragons were meant to be insanely powerful, what with being in the name of the game and all.

Yes it was. When I looked over the Draconomicon version I noticed the difference and was going to note it, but you beat me to the punch. It now changes your natural armor bonus to a deflection armor bonus.

But it also takes a good portion of damage away by only allowing the mage to throw one orb. The dragon simply needs to survive the first round to destroy the mage. Unless the mage gets first attack the dragon breaths, or crushes the mage (and 'party'), or full attacks the mage (and 'party')...

Doesn't that make you 14th level then?

Why I don't buy the 15th level mage walking into a dragon's lair and killing it. A spell or a feat completely shut down the orb specialist. Scintilating Scales, or Maximize Breath. The first makes it nearly impossible (5% in most cases) to hit the dragon, the latter obliterates the mages...

Two feats nothing! Each of them had 8. Sure you gave them both 6 of the same feats, but neglected that they were inherently superior in Connie's build than Evan's. Of those three feats only Quicken Spell is in the PHB. A single unaugmented breath attack, and has no provisions for the...

Then why could no one answer me that simple question all this time? Was a simple request, and appearently you knew this the whole time when I asked awhile back. Why is there fighting against giving me the scenario's full details in order to give a well informed opinion upon which to base a...

I bought the wands because (IMC, ATM), they were the most efficient method of reliable healing. The RAA of that I would imagine being 'well why doesn't everybody, everywhere do that?' or 'This way is much more efficient in X way, why aren't you doing it this way?'. The answer to both would be...

I believe it does is part of the scenario is showing that 15th level mages are killing CR24 dragons. Even if both the mages went first the dragon just uses it's dragon breath killing them both (I can't say about the rest of the party as I know nothing about them). What's the point then? If...