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Ah. Oh, for an Immortals game? No, not overpowered. I was talking standard D&D. Yeah, I think your idea of "overpowered" is a lot higher than mine, especially if you're using Immortals Handbook rules. Project Phoenix is a lot closer to standard D&D rules, though I'm still getting a handle on...

Never seen it, can't comment. :) Yugh. Okay, some of the abilities (Blank Aura, Blank, Mind, Null Strike) are good. Void Presence is overpowered, and any decent rogue character would already have Imp. Evasion by that level. It's kind of like an epic Shadowdancer, in which case I can see the...

I don't know if I could do something that high level, since I'm not really familiar with immortal play, but here are some ideas... Touch attack to "steal" attributes/supernatural abilities. On a successful death attack that kills the target, you gain one or more of the target's spells...

So I applied the revised ECL calcs to all my monsters, and a funny thing happened... 90% of them ended up having the same ECL as their HD (within +/-1, though it was dead-on in most cases). Dragons and most outsiders, interestingly, had about the same ratio of HD/ECL - around 1.3 to 1.4 for...

:lol: Good point.

Cool. I wouldn't go more than 15, really - 20 levels is more of a base class than a PrC. I've got a few 15-tier PrCs, but those are mainly because I had too many abilities to cram into 10. :D 13 million. Yow. It's like I said in the article - think of a theme for the class, then come up with...

Heh, not really. Yeah, I think doing upgrades every 5 levels would be better. [qoute]For the HD, I'm torn, because a BA would be in a party with Immortals who will have not only full d20 HD but maximum HP per HD, meaning he'll likely lag behind in HP significantly...or not, since he'll likely...

1:1 (Heighten) is a much better value than 2:3 (Empower), IMO. If it were up to me, I'd never bother taking Empower, especially not with the prereq. I'd change it to 3:2 (+3 effect levels for +2 spell levels). They're really redundant - I'd ditch one (probably Heighten) and keep the other...

Oh, I thought the Silver Rule was optional, only if you really wanted to be accurate. Okay, so I'm doing it right (mostly). I don't need to multiply the Silver Rule number by 0.85 to get the ECL - I've already got it. Good deal. Dude. Chill out already. I don't like 4E either, but I'm a live...

That's an interesting take on it. It's kind of what I did for my revision of the epic spellcasting system - you can increase the time increment for a level increase, e.g. If you're going with effect level, empower is easy - simply increase the effect level by 2-3. Empower can stay the same...

Hmm, good to know. That makes things easier. Well, yeah... I was looking over the formulae again, and I think I am using the right ones. I've got: CR total; HD factor (which is actually double the value, used for Golden Rule); Golden Rule; Silver Rule (which I probably don't need), and ECL...

You could easily drop it to 15 levels - just drop the bonus feats. It's not really the number of levels, though, it's the abilities you get. I'll agree - that thing is way overpowered, even for high epic. He can maximize all rolls, which when combined with x2 or x3 PA, effectively ends a combat...

Wait a minute. V5 says that "For those people who wish to use the Silver Rule: Monster ECL (without PC equipment) If CR < 20: Monster (CR Result -1) x0.85. If CR > 19: Monster CR Result -4. The examples you give are the babau (ECL 11, ((CR Result 14.115 - 1) x 0.85)), and the pit fiend (ECL...

I've got a few low-epics, but nothing as high as you've got. Just a few comments... The BA is probably a bit too powerful. And... why does he get his most powerful ability at 18 instead of 20? I'd just give him scaling abilities at 5th, 10th, 15th, and 20th. Godslayer is missing the Godblight...

Does it? It's kind of unclear; Page 9 kind of intimates that anything after the Silver Rule is ECL, but Appendix 3 (also Silver Rule) never mentions ECL at all - in fact, it says that applying the Silver Rule makes the CR more accurate. I'm going by your assertion that CR = 2/3 ECL, so its ECL...

Thought I'd bump this up with more updates. I'm working on the monsters now; I've got the first quarter or so of the alphabet done (A-F, except the dragons, which I'm doing now).

I did convert it to CR. Like I said, I've got it all set up in Excel - all I have to do is plug in the numbers. I did screwed up, though, because I added Acid twice - once for damage and once for an ability. It should be: Size/type: 2.3 HD: 2.7 Damage: 0.35 Abilities: 5.75 Total: 11.1...

Cool, thanks. Yeah... does there happen to be one in v6? :hmm: (Best I could get to an eyeroll) I'll give it a shot. I'm currently figuring up ECLs for all the monsters for Project Phoenix (see sig for link); I've got the formulas set up in Excel, so all I have to do is plug in numbers. I...

Well... what I'm doing is giving all celestials and all fiends the same abilities - the only thing that really differentiates them, beside their forms, is their alignment. Right now, we've got four different kinds of celestials and two different kinds of fiends (not counting daemons and...

Since someone brought this up... is there a way to convert ECLs directly to ELs without having to mess with CRs?