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I get what you are saying, but I don't know that there isn't a little rose-coloring going on here. While much of what you said is true, stats had quite an impact on 1e... Magic-Users (take that "Wizards"!) DID rely on their INT to get higher level spells. It also added to their chance to learn...

Alexander, Lloyd 20 Cook, Glen 22 Jemisin, N.K. 11 Kay, Guy Gavriel 17 LeGuin, Ursula 22 Lynch, Scott 14 McKillip, Patricia 20 Pratchett, Terry 19 Wolfe, Gene 18 Noticed you didn't correct Jemison. Cheater! :p Flexor really messed up the flow by quoting from pages earlier...

Disregard this post. :)

Wow... a bit off Flexor. I made some corrections... Alexander, Lloyd 24 - 2 = 22 Cook, Glen 21 + 1 = 22 Jemisin, N.K. 11 Kay, Guy Gavriel 17 LeGuin, Ursula 21 Lynch, Scott 14 McKillip, Patricia 20 Pratchett, Terry 19 Wolfe, Gene 19 That's a bit better...

Yes! NOW you are voting with the right methodology! :)

Alexander, Lloyd 22 Cook, Glen 19+1=20 Jemisin, N.K. 14-2=12 Kay, Guy Gavriel 19 LeGuin, Ursula 21 Lynch, Scott 20 McKillip, Patricia 20 Peake, Mervyn 2 Pratchett, Terry 18 Wolfe, Gene 21

This is a lie from the abyssal realms of Orcus! I am NOT down-voting her because she has initials. Only because she uses them as her professional name rather than a real name. In 100 years they'll hate me for my initial-ist attitude! :D:devil::D

Alexander, Lloyd 23 Cook, Glen 20+1=21 Jemisin, N.K. 18-2=16 At least I don't have to find a new person to downvote whilst battling against the upvotes. Keeps ye olde conscience clear! Kay, Guy Gavriel 20 LeGuin, Ursula 21 Lynch, Scott 19 McKillip, Patricia 21 Peake, Mervyn 9 Pratchett, Terry...

Alexander, Lloyd 21 Bulfinch, Thomas 15+1=16 Cook, Glen 21 Jemisin, N.K. 18-2=16 Kay, Guy Gavriel 20 LeGuin, Ursula 19 Lynch, Scott 20 McKillip, Patricia 21 Peake, Mervyn 20 Pratchett, Terry 18 Sanderson, Brandon 15 Wolfe, Gene 22 Slowly but surely, getting rid of Jemisin... That works for me.

To be honest, I'm not sure. Personally, I think it is a bad idea. But if I were to do it I would probably sit down and come up with options. As a general rule, I would use a skill that falls under the same stat as the ability increase would have been from.

I wouldn't change them, but if I did, perhaps replace the +1 STAT with a skill proficiency?

This may be the coolest random encounter ever rolled!

Well in that case I believe I still owe you an angry, non-sequitor rebuttal for doing it wrong! So... ummm... WELL, YOUR DOG IS UGLY!

Alexander, Lloyd 22+1=23 Bulfinch, Thomas 20 Cook, Glen 21 Jemisin, N.K. 19-2=17 Kay, Guy Gavriel 21 LeGuin, Ursula 21 Lynch, Scott 21 McKillip, Patricia 23 Peake, Mervyn 19 Pratchett, Terry 21 Sanderson, Brandon 14 Wolfe, Gene 22

Good points. That's worth considering.

All true. But I have not been very precise with my language. I've been talking in terms of "banning" MC since it is simpler than saying "strongly discouraging MC, and making players convince me to allow it". Perhaps I could split the difference and call what I do a "soft ban" rather than a "hard...

Correcting for the Cross-Posting... Alexander, Lloyd 22 Bulfinch, Thomas 21 Cook, Glen 25 Jemisin, N.K. 21 Kay, Guy Gavriel 23 LeGuin, Ursula 23 Lynch, Scott 24 McKillip, Patricia 23 Peake, Mervyn 20 Pratchett, Terry 18 Sanderson, Brandon 15 Smith, Clark Ashton 10 Wolfe, Gene 24 Look right?

Whoops! Almost forgot to vote today! Alexander, Lloyd 24 Bulfinch, Thomas 20+1=21 Cook, Glen 25 Jemisin, N.K. 23-2=21 Kay, Guy Gavriel 23 LeGuin, Ursula 22 Lynch, Scott 24 McKillip, Patricia 23 Peake, Mervyn 20 Pratchett, Terry 18 Sanderson, Brandon 15 Smith, Clark Ashton 10 Wolfe, Gene 24...

Because it breaks verisimilitude. Which is fine if that's what people enjoy. I don't enjoy running those games, and rarely enjoy playing in games lacking verisimilitude. Absolutely correct: I wouldn't enjoy playing with that person. But isn't the point of this discussion to talk about why we...

I would agree, the "TRUE system master" would have done that. Again, and this is my experience not a scientific fact, most of the times I've seen this done it wasn't by a system master. It was by someone who saw something that has the kewl and suddenly decided that they wanted it for their...