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Nothing is so obvious that someone, somewhere won't find a point about it that they think is open to debate. I suppose that is what Rules portion of this board is about, really.

With a nod to those without any access to Complete Arcane, I really don't understand why there is any debate on this issue. CA spells out exactly which feats apply, PBS and Precise Shot do, Shot on the Run doesn't, for example. Do so few people really have access to CA? PBS adds +1 to hit AND...

Why house rule? Why not accept what is written in Complete Arcane?

You know, I think I am finally starting to agree that maybe the D&D rules have become a little too complicated...

Unfortunately, it is exactly the things that designers didn't think seemed to need clarification that have caused a lot of arguements. Anyone recall the debates on Handle Animal and mounted combat?

Alls well that ends well, and, in all fairness, that is the part that really matters. Good GMs know they aren't perfect.

Sadly, it sounds like the way the GM ruled it was the worst of both worlds.

I'm inclined to agree, I could see slowing movement, I suppose, consider the PS difficult terrain or something. Requiring a bullrush seems a bit extreme.

So why DIDN'T the fighter just go around the PS?

Very few things will save the fighter from an AoO at this point and the phantom steed allowing the fighter to pass through his square isn't one of them. It looks to me, baring magic or tumbling, the fighter was going to have to survive one more shot on the way out one way or the other. What...

It is funny you should mention that. As I noted above, when you chose a race in the PHB, you have Racial Traits. These are independent of class. Under the Outsider type, the weapon and armor proficiencies are listed under Traits. I realize I keeps bringing this up, but you seem to be...

Things you seem to failing to consider: 1. Common sense is actually rather subjective, as is evidenced by numerous discussions on this board. Appealing to it is almost by definition an admission that you don't have a good argument. 2. The rules may actually mean what they say. Per the PHB...

Quote: Originally Posted by glass So lay of the ad hominems please. So it would seem. However, by appealing to common sense, you are implying that anyone who doesn't agree with you is not showing any, which you ought to lay off.

In regards to elves loosing racial proficiencies due to background. Cool, all is consistant. I would forward the suggestion that since plantouched races tend to be bred by creatures which often are themselves inherently martial, that this could be considered a reasonable explaination on why...

Shield, as does the Shield spell in 3.5.

I would be inclinded to say that the amount of psyching youself up that would be required to step off a ledge into open space, knowing that it is going to hurt alot on the other end, would preclude using a 5' adjustment. Just because the player knows that the fall is something the character...

For what it is worth, the abilities classes get are called Features in the classes section of the SRD. This would seem to support outsiders lossing features if they don't have racial hit dice - 'levels' in the Outsider class, if you will. Has anyone seen Traits used in text anywhere else? I...

Actually, assuming that the armor benifit provided by traits only comes into play if the non-class entry has them is perfectly reasonable and keeps the trait benifits self-contained rather then to bring in items from the outside. Certainly it is not unreasonable for a GM to rule as you would...

I would say that only armor use granted by Trait, not class would unlock this, which is also what seems to be implied by the text.

Actually, since there is no entry to speak of, one is forced to go straight to the Outsider entry. You really haven't answered my question except to basically say 'Because it doesn't make sense to me', which isn't very convincing. Since the Features have the look of being class/hit dice...