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And other than being immune to a handful effects, and vulnerable to others... what difference do you suspect having an undead type and fiend type PC to make?

Sure, a level 1 character with low con might die to a 30 ft pit trap. A 12th level character SHOULDN'T die to a 30 ft pit trap. Again, as I pointed out to Micah, treating everything as the same level of danger just leads to confusion. A house fire is dangerous. But a house fire, while a...

Nah, he was pulling from a Module and he gave us literally every single warning and chance to back out. It was 100% us. I'm not sure what the point of the NPC in the module was at that stage, maybe just to set up the threat to come back later (because he did reappear later after we had restored...

A 5th level party goes into a graveyard to deal with six zombies. Six zombies is DEATH for the common people, it may be a significant challenge for 1st level characters, especially if there are only three or so PCs. Is this a dangerous situation for that 5th level party? The party gets there...

And yet, the most common response, and one seen in this very thread from Lanefan, is that in such a game harrassing and disrespecting the DM would be exactly how they would behave, and therefore death is NEEDED because otherwise the players won't take the challenges seriously. So, if everyone...

Again, why are we having the Dragon fight solo against level 20 PCs, when it was argued to be a solo fight for level 17 PCs? Heck, why are we continuing to argue it must be a solo fight, when we all are perfectly aware that solo fights are incredibly difficult to balance and every fight we...

They literally never said that, and that goes against everything they have ever said on the subject. A dragon attacking the city that the PCs choose to fight is clearly not random, not unless you've decided that you are just going to YOLO and have a dragon attack a town randomly, for no...

So you are saying that, after hearing and agreeing to the rules of the table, that is when you would act to sabotage the game to prove the superiority of your own style of game?

Sorry, was a little inaccurate in my post, since I've been in a long discussion with Upper_Krust. They had an earlier point that the Ancient Gold needed to drop a PC to 0 every single turn, or with a single action with their fire breath. I think a single action AOE dropping someone with the...

Right, so first thing I asked in that two sentence post "Are you talking "has the literal type"?" Yes, Tieflings are still Humanoid in terms of mechanics. But... if you wanted a playable fiend, they literally have everything else except the mechanical type "fiend".

Wait, have you been making these arguments without even being aware of the changes to the classes, feats and spells?

No on both counts. 1) If it is the culmination... then they used some of those resources before the fight. Which matters. 2) You keep treating using a powerful high level spell to reverse the damage as equalling that damage being utterly meaningless. If I have forced you to use a 7th or 8th...

Are you talking "has the literal type"? Because... Reborn and Dhampyr are clearly undead, and Tieflings cover Fiends.

To be equally pendantic, plenty of people have died sitting at home. Any rollercoaster deaths are either because 1) The Rollercoaster was damaged, poorly designed, or otherwise not working as intended (just like a game designed not to kill people out of nowhere leading to a death) 2) They had...

It is also important to remember, for the previous conversation, that the idea was level 17 or 18 characters. There isn't a LOT of deifference between them and level 20 characters, but there is some.

Agreed, and that was my point. Right, but I was still referring to the death box here. I agree that the dragon clawing you, but you clinging on for one more round to strike them down is great. Being in a box with a sphere of annihilation and living an extra six seconds.... doesn't really make...

Why do rollercoasters trigger fight or flight responses and fear-based adrenaline if no one is decapitated riding them? Because you don't need the thing to happen to have the excitement.

No, it really doesn't. Because if the Fighter being banished for a single turn was truly so game changing... then it isn't even an issue for the fighter to make that save once. "This damage doesn't matter at all, we'll just use our resources to deal with it" Yes, it uses resources to counter...

Okay, don't call it certain death if you just mean deadly. Certain Death and "well, it would be certain death to SOME people" are two different things. Death ward doesn't prevent certain continual death, neither does the barbarian ability. It just delays it. Raise Dead and Clone don't get you...

I don't care if you think it "pales in comparison" I was still making a point. Which was that the idea of the dragon hitting all or most of the party with its breath weapon is not absurd if, even surprised, the Dragon can still reliably go first in the initiative. Sure, a 6th level healing...