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But you could add your level with Aasimar and then add your level with Assassinate, correct? So why can't you add your charisma modifier twice?

Congratulations. Good for you. Good for him Did Treantmonk have a mutliclass with his Eldritch Knight to need to track charisma or wisdom spells? No. He dumped Intelligence, as many people did, and took wizard spells that didn't rely on their casting stat. Shield, Magic Missile, Jup, Misty...

So, you think that an Eldritch Knight on page 97 learns a "wizard cantrip" which means a cantrip from the wizard spell list, but then after that, wizard cantrip means a Eldritch Knight Cantrip gained from the Eldritch knight subclass. Do you know why an Eldritch Knight's abilities only work...

I'd be curious about the difference between the Ranger and the 3rd highest damage dealer, instead of the two barbarians. Even stating it as 60% might hide the actual numbers. I don't have the time to make those comparisons now myself though. I do want to point out that we often seem to...

Sigh Yeah, but if I'm an Intelligence caster why would I bother to do that? That was my point. You said it was neccessary because of all these things, but I can also do the same things and NOT have a Charisma caster. So it isn't neccessary, because most people aren't going to be intentionally...

You can't think of any reason why, in a massive book that was pushing the size limits they had, they might have used "wizard cantrip" instead of "a cantrip from the wizard spell list"? The only explanation you can think of, is that they must have had some obscure meaning in mind that meant...

Yeah, I personally find that more restrictive than what I would rule, but I can acknowledge that it is a strict reading of RAW. Not allowing those to work because it should only be the three cantrips you get from Eldritch Knight is a position I think makes no sense.

Okay, this still changes nothing from what I could do anyways. And again, EK's aren't even the best for damage, even if you got a Bard 6 EK 7 Warlock 1, you simply are not going to be dealing game breaking amounts of damage. With the use of Action Surge, you are maybe spiking close to the top...

Let's say I'm a high elf with Magic initiate (wizard) and I multi-class wizard and EK. Then... all my saving throws and attack rolls are tied to Intelligence. And while, yes, if I decided to add cleric I could only prepare a certain number of cleric only spells... it doesn't particularly matter...

You added a bunch of unnecessary words. "When you take the Attack action on your turn, you can replace one of the attacks with a cantrip from the Wizard spell list and has a casting time of an action." "When you reach Fighter level 10, you learn another cantrip from the Wizard spell list."...

I disagree with this. If they come from two different abilities, there is no reason to assume they can't stack. If an ability added your level to damage, like the Aasimar ability, and then added your level to damage, like the assassin ability, there would be no reason they shouldn't stack.

What is bizarre about this example is that it 100% works for a Celestial Warlock. True Strike is a Warlock spell, so... this just works as written. I don't see how being a Eldritch Knight plays into this at all, unless you want to use the extra attack... which why would you if you are investing...

You sure did highlight the phrase "wizard cantrip" which as we all know is identical to the phrase "Wizard spell", right? All the same words and everything. Wut? Why would you ever even think that gaining a 10th level in one class, which allows you to learn one cantrip, would allow you to...

I did miss that. I would note however that this language would be utterly bizarre to see on a subclass for a class that doesn't get spells. No fighter feature gives you spells that aren't on the fighter spell list... because there is no fighter spell list. And this level of high-detail nuance...

I know what it says, I am merely pointing out that every single example I've ever seen has had people who analyze Innate Sorcerery as applying it to all the spells the sorcerer has. They have never limited it by removing spells that they received through feats or racial abilities. I think that...

The mentions of Wizard spells on page 97 are EXCLUSIVELY using the phrase "Wizard Spell List". There is not a single part of that text that uses the phrase "wizard spell". The only mention of a "wizard cantrip" is following the text on learning cantrips from the Wizard Spell List, and is for the...

This claim bothered me, so I decided to re-read the Eldritch Knight from beginning to end, to get this context. These are the only abilities for the EK that use the phrase "wizard spell" or "wizard cantrip". Except, that isn't the phrase, because to be clear it says "your Wizard cantrip"...

You don't need to. It might be someone who blocked me, or it might have been a point I dismissed out-of-hand. Because, again, I'll agree with you. Saying Wisdom-only rangers are the only viable ones is false on its face. The only person I've seen make anything like that point is Horwath, who is...

And Hunter's Mark isn't even the only feature Ranger's get at level 1. Heck, you get ALL your level 1 spells at the same time. And, sorry to tell you this, the spell IS good until tier 3 play and people DO like the spell.

Interesting how you ignore Light, Trickery, and Life clerics, or Sea, Star, and Land druids. And don't mention bards at all. Who gets extra uses of spells that use concentration? Well, it depends on what you you mean by "extra". Because a Ranger at level say 8 has 7 spell slots and let's say 4...