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So spell slots are fine? Is this another "its okay if magic does something because it's magic."? you obviously didn't read much because each power does have fluff text.

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I didnt find the 3.x phb to be much different from 4es myself. And i have no experience before that so i dont see why people think 4e suddenly broke some kind of barrier.

But where does inspiration come from? Personally I always skip over the bits of fiction in rulebooks, they dont inspire me. On the other hand while I dislike 3.x greatly the art of Pathfinder almost alone makes me want to play it. for myself I find inspiration in cool mechanics, take the 4e...

1. No, But like I said I have done so with Mordinkraide's(SP) Magnificent Emporium. Yes there is room for improvement, and singling out one of the first 4e books isn't the best example. 2. No, but my point is that perhaps a PHB isn't the best kind of book to use as an example.

Actually I mine that one sometimes. Though I often sit down with the new MME book just for ideas. Though for me as a DM I guess I have the advantage of having more interesting books to peruse.

Personally I odnt see why player handbooks need to be great reading. Those are setting books or other flavor intensive books. I dont see all this fuss over having a players handbook be some kind of great novel. You aren't probably going to use it except in character generation and leveling...

well i have a larger group, 6-8. So they can usually focus fire down 2 creatures a round.

Well I'd like to have tactically meaningful games, when you just reduce the defenses to me at least it starts to screw with the assumed balance of how long things should last. So in my experience I usually have to increase HP just to get a meaningful fight if I lower defenses.

This one I can agree with fully. This has been fixed with the E classes for the most part, they usually have excellent accuracy and I have noticed in my games the differences with my players who have embraced the E classes and those who have not. Missing just sucks, even if you use abilities...

Just looking through it I personally don't see anything really cringe worthy. In fact this section really helped me with my own players. I mean some of the advice is a little "duh" but I dont see what the big deal is.

Can anyone provide some real examples of "kiddie" writing in 4e? I'm still not seeing it.

This is actually an issue with your descriptions of combat not the HS mechanic.

I'd like to think i have a decent reading level, but im unsure why people keep comparing it with the bearinstain bears and see spot run. Hyperbole much? What kind of real examples are we talking about?

I cant XP you(gotta spread more love around) but this bears repeating. in addition: Mature and M for mature are two totally different things.

personally, now as a parent and a gamer. i understand that there are some games that have adult themes and its just a part of the game. but I dont feel that D&D should be one of those games.

Imo the issue isnt that a dm could limit a caster. Its that casters were pretty much the only ones that ever needed it. I dont recall many "how do i limit my party fighter" threads. Someone above mentioned the percentages some classes always falling around the 50% while others consistantly...

The point is that no class should be able to fully do its job and be able to replace another class.

I like the brawler stuff.