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For me: a simple, familiar place to start. That's some really meaty food for thought. BTW, thank you for your courteous reply.

The very fact that you said "unless you have a new angle" belies that even you believe it may not be an exhausted avenue of exploration. You can't know and I can't know until I actually try it. Why are you so intent on shutting down that avenue? What do you have to lose by my trying? These...

I need to take a break for a while. The thing I needed the distraction from is now demanding my attention again. Probably won't get back to this until tomorrow.

We'll just have to agree to disagree here. That's contrary to my personality and my military training, but there are some valid arguments against a "don't bring me problems, bring me solutions" approach and a significant amount of professionals who advocate against it. So, I'll just agree to...

This sounds like an important consideration to keep in mind.

Cool. Cool. No offense intended, but from what I've read throughout the thread, I think this is a no-sell for most. Seems to me that this is what most that want a Warlord feel that 5E is lacking. I think this is specifically what Neonchameleon was talking about as pertains to running more...

Cool. Limited sample so far, but there seems to be consensus on this, or at least ambivalence. So D8 it is. Why no shields? Even the 4E Warlord had at minimum, proficiency with Light Shield (granted, 5E doesn't have Light Shield, but we're only talking the difference of +1 between a 4E...

And this is where everybody keeps putting words into my mouth. I don't disagree with anything anybody has said. I have my own opinions, but I don't by default hold my opinions supreme to others. The only thing I disagree with is the lack of specificity. That continued lack of specificity in...

Good Stuff. Thanks. Anybody have feedback or ideas on this? Critiques? I have a couple of questions: Which Battle Master stuff do you think a Tactical Warlord should get? Does it need more than just what a Battle Master can provide (more than what is listed for Battle Master...

No. This is an approach destined for disappointment also, as it provides no specifics or feedback. It's a declaration only, a declaration that assumes this is fact, while making subjective claims. This is called Dogmatism or Appeal to False Authority. Without specific examples it's an...

Okay. So, just for a place to start, let's take the Fighter chasis. Now, let's strip out Second Wind, Action Surge, Fighting Style, Indomitable, and Extra Attack 2&3 (at least for right now, we may want them later as an action economy resource...) Now we change the name at the top of the...

Is multiple attacks as an action economy resource okay? In other words, multiple attacks as multiple actions (not necessarily for actual attacks) for use with Warlord maneuvers (powers)...?

This is the part I don't get. Why is a subclass inconsistent with the warlord-experience? People keep saying this, but provide very little specifics as to why. The only one that seems to stand out is "a fighter is based on DPR"; which while true, it's been shown that the DPR mechanics become...

So here's an idea. Right here, right now, all in one place, list your ideas for the Warlord. No approach is automatically rejected. Keep an open mind. If one believes something won't work, provide specifics as to why, and alternatives. Some questions to maybe get it started: Should a...

Isn't this both mind-reading as to what WotC was thinking concerning the Warlord, and drawing a line in the sand? Near as I can tell - though I'll admit I don't know everything said by WotC - they never said the Warlord was "unworthy" of being included in 5E. Demanding that the Warlord be a...

Overly limiting options for creating a Warlord character build in 5E. It's adopting an all-or-nothing attitude. An either-or fallacy.

As a base fighter, and especially with the Champion archetype, a fighter is most definitely designed for DPR; but it is not restricted to that. With non-damage dealing maneuvers, ones that are tactical or inspiration based, the main contributor to the fighter's DPR - specifically multiple...

The point people keep ignoring is that all of the "just use" suggestions have covered every possible approach - including making a separate class (just not officially made by WotC). Despite this, everything posited has been rejected with only general expressions as to why. Yes, ideas have been...

I'm not edition warring; I'm calling out edition warring.

I think that demanding only a separate class is unreasonably limiting and more than a bit antagonistic and self-entitled.