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I think this article has fully qualified itself as not being end-all-be-all to encounter making. Treat it as a hammer, not as a wand that magically makes a house. The thing about higher level play is that there's a lot more variables in play. People should think about their "cakewalk" and...

Agreed. What's particularly confusing about that argument is that even if THEIR table doesn't get to tier 4, why are they treating other people's fun so lightly, since it's clear that there are that do get that high and strongly wish to continue.

Ahh yes. You are correct.

Personally I think it should be 0. I know it's part of the rules and has a history, but it's not realistic. "Why did he just make that save? Because he's really "legendary"...?" I feel like there's other better ways to make a boss fight challenging if that's what's needed.

I definitely think that tier of play is small for the reasons already mentioned, and should be weighted appropriately. However, I don't think it should be dismissed either. Otherwise, if Wotc wasn't planning on really supporting that tier of play, why did they even write classes out to 20 to...

I agree that the wording is a little confusing. But I think your DM is correct here in the outcome. Per RAW, it's a spell whose benefit runs out before the spell actually ends.

Maybe one suggestion would be to step back. You feel (as the DM) feel the fight was anti-climatic. Did you ask if the players felt that way? Did this take away from the fun by being able to win this way? If not, you may not actually have a problem.

Good point on the benefit redundancy with Deep Stalker/Assassin, although this might come down to specific wording. Don't have PHB in front of me, but I seem to remember that assassin's advantage benefit ends when a creature has "taken a turn", not "taken an action". Meaning, by RAW, since...

Sorry, I deleted that post. I realized that what I said would have to be a houserule as well by logical inference. But yes, I agree that assassins being able to assassinate without having to worry about initiative is balanced. Plenty of risk still, and they still have to make their stealth roll.

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Fair enough. Not pretending that I have a full understanding of who plays what out there. And I agree there are probably assassins that don't do well setting themselves up for success. However, even with trying to do things right, you need: 1: a group you can actually sneak up on 2: good stealth...

I wonder if this wasn't intended to buff assassin a little. Currently all the conditions needed for auto-crits to happen seems too circumstantial IMO. I don't think I've actually ever played with anyone as an assassin. Everyone goes arcane trickster. Maybe the could just give a + to initiative...

I would say make them (and their intellect devourer kin) not show up in levels before the party casters are able to get spells to undo the things that they "do" to PCs.

Nah, I'll keep the coin heads up and maintain my air of superiority over the NPC :).

I have to disagree. I always find myself cheering on the ubertank when he/she gets missed again and again, knowing how much that is helping out the party. Furthermore, epic bad guy usually knows that they should be hitting often. When they don't, either the DM roleplays the frustration out, or...

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I second this. A party that finds magic items that no one wants isn't fun at all. And trying to find other players in AL to do trades for a magic item you do want (and not finding them) isn't fun either.

I'm glad they're doing this. Also glad they're taking the time to do it right.

Not sure if it really matters. Never seen trinkets have any sort of bearing in AL play.

What should I say? How am I misrepresenting his words?