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Ok, so the restriction is that this wouldn't work with only unarmed strikes, and there would need to a weapon attack before any unarmed strikes for the unarmed strikes to benefit from the magic item. Anyways, I do like the phrasing and language better than my version. I appreciate the help.

Yes, I think would do, although I think this would require the unarmed strikes to come before the second weapon attack?

Ki-empowered strikes is a case of a specific exception to a general rule. Sorry, but I feel like both the DMG and sage advice has been clear on "if something doesn't say it's that thing, then it isn't that thing" (paraphrase). Unarmed strikes is considered magical for one and only one context...

1. True 2. If "m" = monks without magic weapons, "o" = other melee classes without magic weapons, "w" = magic weapons, "=" = balanced, and ">" = unbalanced, then my argument is that: a) m = o (if not, then this is a separate discussion) b) m < o + w c) m + w = o + w I guess I don't see why...

I could maybe buy the necessity of magic weapons for their way of overcoming non-magical resistances and immunities, but not for the damage increase, which I guess is the point was trying to make.

Umm... Barbs and fighters out-damage monks (without magic weapons) any day of the week. I've watched a raging Barb solo a boss in two turns. Not buying your "miniscule" argument.

Are you saying that it shouldn't matter whether or not monks get a magical weapon? If so - if it doesn't really matter, then I should be able to take one without any objections. Are you saying that giving monks a magic weapon will make them too strong? Assuming that the classes are balanced...

Because assuming that the classes are balanced without magical weapons, they should all have equal access to effective weapons that suit them well to maintain that balance. Does a monk "need" a weapon? No. But on the other hand no other class really "needs" one either. Also, read the my previous...

I was assuming before, so we have an apples-to-apples comparison.

Not quite. Unarmed strikes then are considered magical only for the intent and purpose of bypassing nonmagical immunities and resistances. Otherwise, they are still nonmagical. They could have just said unarmed strikes were magical, but they took the care to spell out that specific case...

Unfortunately I think the math disagrees with you here, as those puny wizards and fighters out-damage monks in spades. And I'm not seeing the "shatter knee" ability anywhere (though that does sound cool).

Not quite. They're considered magical only for the intent and purpose of bypassing nonmagical immunities and resistances. Otherwise, they are still nonmagical. They could have just said unarmed strikes were magical, but they took the care to spell out that specific case instead. Anyways, even if...

Fair enough. I edited post - hopefully that straightened it out.

My observation is that magic items in 5E that suit monks are few and far between. I had an idea for a good monk weapon (one that I would love to get). Gravity Essence <insert fluff here> Your nonmagical weapon attacks become magical and deal an additional d4 force damage for every successful...

It would have been nice if they would have laid out the multiclassing reqs to do further theorycraft. I guess I'll assume int 13? If so, that makes order of immortal MC with other fighting classes quite MAD, maybe with the exception of arcane trickster and bladesinger.

That lethal strike will make any melee attacker (with multiattacks) outburst any spellcaster. Am I wrong?

Ahh, good catch. I missed that. However, you could still draw the rapier if you wanted to shadowstep, attack, attack on a turn. Then you could sheathe it on the next turn if you wanted to attack, attack, martial arts (x2 shortswords now). But yeah, it's not quite as good as I had originally thought.

But I am using a monk weapon with an attack action - it's just not the only kind of weapon I'm using. Whether it's "attack" or "attack action", it still works. You seem to be reading it as if it were saying "...only with an unarmed strike or monk weapons". I'm not buying your interpretation as...

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Well monks get an extra attack. Basically it would be better to hold a rapier in one hand and a shortsword in the other. Assuming shadow monk 6+ and you wanted to: - shadowstep, attack, attack, you would want to use rapier with both attacks. - attack, attack, martial arts, you would want to...