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    Took Enemy Fire in Edition Wars

    There really aren't any edition wars on these forums. There are a few edition warriors, but things are really quite polite, especially for an Internet forum. If you want to see edition warring, just check out the "Game Balance Bullsh*t" thread on TheRPGSite. That's an edition war.
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    D&D 5E (2014) The Door, Player Expectations, and why 5e can't unify the fanbase.

    Complaining that Vancian spellcasting is bad because 3e gave wizards too many spells is not a great argument.
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    Losing interest....

    Nah, just greedy and incompetent. Mod Note: please see my post below. ~Umbran
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    Losing interest....

    Cut the snark, bro. All I'm saying is that I don't trust WotC. To reiterate:
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    D&D 5E (2014) The Door, Player Expectations, and why 5e can't unify the fanbase.

    It shows that high-level fighters can beat up the physical manifestations of gods (though they probably need a magic sword to do so).
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    Losing interest....

    No, just incompetence. Why would I expect the designers to know well? Just because you put something on paper and have the backing to get it published doesn't make it good. (Twilight, after all, was a hit, and so is Fifty Shades of Grey.) For the third or fourth time: these people had months...
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    Losing interest....

    Nah, it's more like I've eaten my appetizer, have waited an hour for the main course, and then the chef comes out and tells me that my steak isn't going to be done for another 30 minutes even though he claims he started cooking it when I first came in.
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    Losing interest....

    The point is that there isn't much in the way of mechanics. Again: the developers playtested for months and are just now working on the tactical module. They couldn't even get AC right the first time around (which should be really, really simple, as it's just math and not anything trickier...
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    D&D 5E (2014) The Door, Player Expectations, and why 5e can't unify the fanbase.

    Looks like I just activated your trap card. No, I think fighters should be like D&D fighters.
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    Losing interest....

    If I'm going to playtest the game, I'd like to be able to playtest the mechanics.
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    D&D 5E (2014) The Door, Player Expectations, and why 5e can't unify the fanbase.

    Really. Because even Diomedes could wound Aphrodite.
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    Losing interest....

    When writing a paper, you don't ask for a peer review of a rough draft. You ask for a peer review of a second or third draft. This is the same way. It's fine for WotC to release a pregen adventure, but they should also have already had semi-functional rules modules in the works. They need to...
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    Losing interest....

    The developers should be competent enough that they shouldn't have to rewrite massive chunks of the system. And if they are and they create an awful mess, they should rewrite it if they want our money. That's why they're the developers.
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    D&D 5E (2014) The Door, Player Expectations, and why 5e can't unify the fanbase.

    The fighter stabbing up Lolth (with her whopping 66 HP) is much, much different than the fighter throwing a mountain at someone.
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    Losing interest....

    If I'm going to be playtesting a game, I expect the game to have a reasonable amount of polish. In videogame terms, we're in the early, early alpha playtest. We should, at the least, be in the early beta stages. We haven't even seen the nuts and bolts of the system yet--just ideas about "bounded...
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    D&D 5E (2014) The Door, Player Expectations, and why 5e can't unify the fanbase.

    The people who want a game to do things in the highlighted section are better off not playing D&D. D&D has never had these things possible, and I'm not interested in playing a game where they are possible. If I wanted to play that kind of game, I would play Exalted.
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    Losing interest....

    Really. Sorry, brosiah, I'm not inclined to trust a large corporation that (a) published the poorly-playtested 3.0, (b) published the slipshod errata document that was 3.5, (c) churned out splatbook after splatbook of awful material in a worse moneygrab than the publication of 3.5 was, (d)...
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    Losing interest....

    That WotC has so little to show us bodes poorly for the future of 5e. You're telling me that they playtested 5e for months prior to the open playtest and they still screwed up armor, are just now working on a tactical module, and have nothing beyond the first three levels to show us? Pretty...
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    The swinginess of low levels.

    Here's how I would handle listen checks: • Does it make sense for the character to automatically hear noise? Then the character doesn't need to make a check. • Does the character want to hear something particularly quiet or difficult to hear? Then the character can make a check to see how...
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    The swinginess of low levels.

    My point is that you shouldn't roll to hear orcs talking. You should put your ear to the door and hear orcs talking. If you want to make out what they're saying, then you should roll. In my experience, few of the DMs I have played with have ever done the "no roll necessary" bit; most...
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