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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    I still have a post coming where I lay out my thoughts and address some of your previous responses but this is interesting. I think there's a potential conflict between genre play and emergent drama play. In genre play a npc (or pc) decision will hew along genre lines. It is in effect emulating...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    Eh, as far as I can make out @SableWyvern and @Bedrockgames are Narrativists. They like the drama stuff and play is emergent. That's my bar anyway.
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    I've got a longer reply I can make but if I add: Situation play So we have: adventure based, scene based, sandbox, situation, does that distinction make sense? Situation play would massively reduce the open world exploration aspect but retain the open ended emergent consequences of such play...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    What's a scene based adventure?
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    No it's a bit of a Rorschach test. My answer is that the Emperor falls into despair, doesn't get vengeance and neglects running his Empire. What's the point of all this stuff if what you most love can just get taken away like that? It's true that he responds to slights with violence but that's...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    I have conversations in the first person but not exclusively. I describe what the characters doing, their facial expressions and so on. I don't do voices per say but I do modulate my own voice a bit. I sometimes describe their inner thoughts (which is a big no for a lot of the more immersion...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    Yeah I think the same is true for me, any character really, PC or NPC. In some ways it hasn't changed since I first started roleplaying. In others it has. So I'm more liable to communicate who the character is to the other participants. I use the meta-channel or character reading of body...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    But how do you choose for the npc's? I have a mental model of them in my head and so if it's conversation then I'm just kind of inhabiting them and just saying what I think they'd say. The mental model is heavily concerned with their current priorities in a way that's maybe a bit different than...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    This is a question for anyone who wants to answer. Here's my living world V Narrativist test. Krangen is the ruler of a vast Empire that he forged himself through valour and rage. He responds to any slight with violence and his rule is cold and hard, although some do say it's just. He lost his...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    @zakael19 answered a lot of this already. Here's some small snippets from the book that point toward the general attitude. In order to play to find out what happens, you’ll need to pass decision-making off sometimes. Whenever something comes up that you’d prefer not to decide by personal whim...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    Striving for impartiality - play to find out what happens Pinning down details before choices are made - clocks Letting players trash the scenery - there are no status quo's in Apocalypse World Playing NPC's with their own goals and agency - clocks and pass decision making to NPC's Are you...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    It seems this is true of all roleplaying games. Can you give an example of a sequence of play (however brief), or technique, where it's not true?
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    Great post. That clears a lot of stuff up and really shows how you do things. On sandrasan's site she has a load of texts under the roleplaying section. These are some of the more relevant. A lot of this might be interesting to Narrativists as well, she's a good theorist. How she...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    If you want hard crucible then manbearcat and pemerton are your guys, although I think you'd need to change up how you're running the system. Otherwise just create npcs you like, that have understandable motives, that 'possibly' conflict with different player characters motives. Then just play...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    Yeah we're in accord at this point. I have some questions about technique. Your players decide to give up the adventuring life and hope to open a shelter for stray dogs in a city they haven't been to. What would be your procedures for generating content? One of the things I'm curious about...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    We've gone back and forth on this in the 'GM fiat - an illustration' thread. A brief primer for those who didn't read it. A) Are decisions constrained by established fictional constraints, including extrapolations based on 'plausibility', different to: B) The GM (or whoever) deciding...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    I chafe a bit at this because: I can extrapolate based on logic, causality and consistency but BECAUSE OF THE TYPE OF PERSON I AM, I'm naturally producing extrapolations that ALSO escalate (in the dramatic sense). So it isn't either/or You could in fact read Narrativism as saying, play...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    This post maybe: https://www.enworld.org/threads/rant-the-conservatism-of-d-d-fans-is-exhausting.712674/post-9658684
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    Well I specifically wouldn't say that. Or rather, without context it makes no sense to say that because we're talking about techniques. I have no idea whether there are any techniques that could 'improve' your play, assuming you even found it desirable. The most common way of getting...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    I reckon the two easiest ways to get Narrativism are through trad play with story fit characters (as you say) or playing something totally different to trad games, preferably without a GM, something like Showdown or Zombie cinema. I think the worst way is through PbtA. Not saying they don't...
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