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From my perspective, its partly about the simple enjoyment that players get from a dose of the old ultraviolence and partly about the satisfaction of the craft of designing a fun hack'n'slash adventure. Think about the old shooter DOOM for example. Gameplay is very simple - very limited...

Given that it had precisely nothing to do with the conversation at hand (and is, IMO inaccurate, but this isn't the thread for that), sure. I mean, his point that 3rd wanted errata that it didn't get isn't really a hugely contentious position. If it was, Pathfinder wouldn't be the success that...

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What's an acceptable level of design flaws for you? If its is "none at all" I expect you to be eternally disappointed by RPG publishing. The thing with this line of arguement though, its that only a small part of those 73 pages are admissions of design flaws. Its mostly clarifications...

Yes, I'll fully expect that. More material is coming and it won't all be perfect. This will always be true as long as we have humans publishing books. Look into errata for medical textbooks some time. Ok, I'll accept that's your opinion. It really doesn't match up with my experiences...

To be fair, its 73 pages of large font, wide spaced text with repeated rules text and a fair amount of commentry, it also covers pretty much every book, adventure and magazine article published to date. The actual text of the revisions is relatively light. Thing is, back in 3e there was a...

Well, the errata are free: Dungeons & Dragons Roleplaying Game Official Home Page - Article (Official D&D Updates) The paid online resource includes these updates, but isn't the only source of them.

Given that formulation, I think it probably is - its certainly not there to serve the *characters*, but if it's for the players to explore, it serves that purpose for them. Could you clarify what you mean a little?

Can you quote anyone who has not accepted that you like playing D&D the way you like it? All I'm seeing here is people saying that you can do whatever you like.

Yeah, I'll have to agree with others that the swordmage is certainly not weak. The epic level one I'm running now, between Wandering Swordmage and Total Aegis marks everyone within close burst 5 and knocks 27 damage off any one hit on an ally a turn. Its almost overpowered.

Are you talking about Vampire:The Masquerade, Vampire:The Masquerade Second Edition, Vampire:The Masquerade Revised or Vampire: The Requiem here? -edit or for something a little closer to the point for anyone who remembers the flame wars, Mage: The Ascension, Mage: The Ascension Revised or...

To use a non-D&D example, 2e Exalted's Battle, War and Debate use the same structure for resolution. Does this mean that Debate is actually about fighting? Or ditto Dogs in the Vinyard's resolution system, Wushu's scene resolution system and so on. -edit To expand, I'll agree that the...

I highly expect that it is this.

I suppose the question is *how* did earlier versions cater to those styles of play, mechanically? Sure, you could traipse through fairy rings and deal with the little people, but you still can. What's actually been lost here, aside from statblocks telling you how good said fairies are in a...

Yes, it certainly was and was a result of extensive use of Sundering Cleave, Trip and Disarm on multiple targets during an ambush so only a portion of the usual buffs (and hence the pre-calculated buffed character sheet) applied. The bad guys had just been dispelled too as I recall, so the DM...

Is it really though? How much 3rd party support do companies like White Wolf, SJG and so on have?

Thing is though, its partly those iterative attacks that make the whole thing take longer. I've had single turns as a high level 3.5 fighter using variable Power Attack, changing cascading buffs and trip/disarm chains that have taken the better part of 45 minutes to resolve.

No, I think the chart is pretty accurate in my experience. Low level 3.5 is faster because its all over in a hit or two, but it gets a lot slower as hitpoints inflate. I have found that combats do take around an hour or so, but theres generally a good number of rounds going on there.

Oh, probably. M&M or True20 show us what can be done on this basis. Can you imagine the howling of "Its not D&D!" if they had done that though?

Its also why some people (me included) don't really think that the MMO comparison has any weight in this case. I've been seeing this kind of behaviour in D&D players for about 15 years and theres advice in the 1e books that you should have 2 15s at least (quote is somewhere upthread, I think)...