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For me, the issue is that I don't get the chance to set the DC. I prefer to do that before the player rolls so I can't fudge it, and I can't be seen to be fudging it.

And that's easy for the DM to fix, too. Just add in friendly gargoyles, mimics, or whatnots that can help the players . . . if they don't get attacked.

I think the players should already expect that's the way it works. Spell slots already get expended when the spell gets used against an invalid target, like when a caster uses charm person on a "monster" or that time I cast stone shape on an impenetrable wall of thorns (I was hoping it was just...

I don't say "screw the rules" but perhaps I actually go a step further: I only apply the rules to player characters. You might say that I use the game rules as an adventure simulator, not a world simulator, and so none of the rules apply to anything that isn't about adventuring. The master...

It may be harsh, but I think it's totally fair. If the caster doesn't want to waste a slot, they can make a better decision than blindly throwing any old spell at the problem.

Please don't call this out as bad form. I've made many of my fake internet points by witty* paraphrasing delivered in quotes. I'd hate to see that practise demonized. * by witty, of course, I mean "vaguely humorous to somebody somewhere. Maybe. Hopefully. Please click laugh"

Of course, if that creature wasn't hostile before, it sure is gonna be now! And if it's got friends around the players might have just made things a whole lot worse for themselves. So, it's a risk. Maybe they should research a new spell, like that detect life one I really liked in Oblivion or...

Correlation does not imply causation! Or: The nature deity wouldn't have made cows so delicious if we weren't supposed to eat them.

:hmm: "Severely misleading" . . . for simply answering a simple direct question. :uhoh: :erm:

Even better, build this stone bridge underwater, where the continental shelf drops off into the abyss. And maybe some other lich altrady did this some time ago in the past, and this lich is just exploiting its existence.

So that a PC can't just step across the river of lava then pass the ring of fire immunity back to the next in line.

I once knew Robocop that intimately. Wait. I said that poorly. I mean, yeah, you've clearly watched Star Wars more often than I have if you can comment on the color of the milk.

"Grab one and start swimming"

I remembered none of that. (And never saw Solo)

That's a far far better answer than I was gonna give. Or should I say, "Far out, my dear Watch Her."

Aye! I want a Star Wars where after Han Solo says "Light, dark, I'm the guy the with the blaster" he still joins the good guys.

What Academy?

If I was Immortal Sun, this would be my reply: