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There is s fundamental difference between "suppressing" a spell and canceling a spell or dispelling. You can't "suppress" a spell unless it is in effect. It would be nonsensical to use the word "suppress" if the spell was just flat cancelled or couldn't be cast. RAW explicitly states the...

I thought you were a RAW kind of guy? B-)

I haven't researched this independently of this thread. Reading the spell and noting the specific use of "suppress" instead of cancel...and noting that it specifically says magic is not "dispelled"....my objective opinion is: Yes. You can definitely cast a spell within an AMF. What happens...

Exactly. And this comports with your notion that AA must contemplate level of involvement beyond an average performance for the skill attempted. As you suggested, two people have to work in concert. That would be my explanation based on your explanation of why the AA disallows a Take 10.

Hmmm.....but I may still be wrong. It occurs to me that "holding the light" may not be at the level of assistance intended by Aid Another. I say this because the AA rule specifically says I can't AA on a task I can't do myself. So if I can't pick a lock..then holding a lantern closer to the...

I don't agree with this generalization. AA another specifically does not have a hard fast rule about the type of aide provided. It's a judgment call by the DM. I've done a fair amount of mechanical work on my car and I can tell you someone just passively holding a light can be the difference...

Greenfield, Do you have an opinion on why Take 10 is specifically not allowed with an Aid Another? Based on the definition of both T20 and T10, logically I don't see a problem with with someone using T20...while someone else used AA and T10? In your example, if I'm not blind and holding the...

No it doesn't. It says "you fail many times." There is nothing the in the rule that says you fail "19 times in a row" and succeed on the very last roll. You're just making that part up. What I will concede given Greenfield's Postulate is that you do have 19 failures....by virtue of Take 20...

I'll give it one more go with you, then I give up. The first and most obvious problem here is you don't understand the underlying principle behind the T20 rule. Because of that, every subsequent interpretation is wrong. The T20 rule is an exchange/contract/back alley agreement provided by the...

Jimlock, I think you're conflating two completely separate things. Aid Another does not require that you roll a 20 to assist someone. Your example of holding someone or something, is a good example. You're just providing assistance and as long as you roll a 10 or better, you're assistance...

So my response is that what you are lobbying for is a change in how the feint mechanic works or the attribute it's based on. Since you want it to be "natural" it still could be based on a "trait." A trait is like a personality or physical quality in the character which permanently affects one...

Explain to me why they later introduced "trait" mechanic doesn't handle the scar in a way that comports with your sense of how it should work? As far as bad-leader-good-intimidator...I would definitely argue that this is handled by skills. Your low chr makes it harder for you, but can you...

Good luck everyone. :)

Let me take a stab. At the core of your question is essentially Danny's response: D&D doesn't support that paradigm. D&D, out of the box, doesn't have a mechanic that works on the granularity of individual appearance. However, I don't see why you can't have the scar add a permanent...

At first I wasn't sure what Greenfield was trying to say here because of how he worded it...but I have a theory. Apologies to Greenfield if I'm wrong: The Take 20 mechanic could be used with any single number when rolling one d20. For instance, if you wanted to roll a 13, for whatever...

To be clear, I assume we're talking about a situation where you need two characters to get a combined 40 (two 20's) on a skill check. This means you're needing them to both roll a 20 on the same attempt. If so, then you're off the mark on a bunch of things here. If not, then disregard. 1)...

You aren't understanding the basic math involved. And FYI, I didn't say the task was 20 times more difficult, I said it's' 20 times more difficult for both characters to get a 20 at the same time. You need to process what that means in terms of probability.

Even if it is a simplification of the probabilities, it still has to be consistent. Reread what Greenfield posted. What you're attempting to do is, under the simplification, 20 times more difficult than what you are attempting alone. Simple math means you multiply those simplifications...

So this is not what the OP is asking, agreed? Here's what the SRD says on the +2 Aid Another.. You can help another character achieve success on his or her skill check by making the same kind of skill check in a cooperative effort. If you roll a 10 or higher on your check, the character you...

If A is rolling, how do you know that A's roll occurs when B got a 20 by virtue of the Take 20 convention? In essence you're arguing that B rolls a 20 every roll. Again, using Take 20 and Aid Another to guarantee that B is aiding with a 20 is to abuse the Take 20 rule...like a red headed step...