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    Warlock, Shadow Walk and Stealth

    If the warlock is at +9 to stealth (at first level?) he has put resources into this option. He's invested a feat - stealth is not on the warlock skill list. He's put points into Dex - dex is otherwise a dump stat for warlocks. He's likely chosen a race that gives bonuses to stealth. That's a...
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    Stealth - Streamlined PEACH

    No. If you END in a stealthable condition, to me it is reasonable to stealth (assuming the action isn't a stealth breaking condition.) So moving to a stealthable condition seem to me to be fine. You're making things more complicated than they have to be. You say "Stealth must pend its hide...
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    Is Stealth the new Grapple?

    I'd agree that the stealth rules were poorly written in that they needed to state them more explicitly. The FAQ says to use the Targeting What You Can't See rules. To me, being "hidden from view" is equivalent to "What you can't see" so applying those rules was a no brainer. But those rules...
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    Stealth - Streamlined PEACH

    I think at least two of these points are house rules, but I applaud that more people are acquiescing to the 4th edition paradigm of stealth rather than holding on to the 3rd edition version. I think VK makes too much of the proforma rule of DM approval of appropriate use of skills. I am...
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    Stealth in Combat

    The requirement to avoid enemy observation is an invention of yours, not RAW, not RAI. It is a figment of your 3.5 imagination. Concealment is specifically a condition where you can be observed. Yet it is listed as a requirement for stealth. If being unobserved was a requirement, why isn't...
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    Stealth in Combat

    LOL. Mighty big of you to be so generous and not even try to find what was wrong in my LITERAL approach. :hmm: Awareness/Notice/Hide You can be aware that someone is around without knowing where they are. Check out the 'targeting what you can't see' rules for explicit demonstration. Know that...
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    Stealth in Combat

    If I say, "mother may I", can I stealth? honestly - obviously there will always be extenuating circumstances. But baring a good reason, if I had concealment, I'd expect to be able to try to stealth.
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    Stealth in Combat

    Ok. Find the error in logic in this examination of the requirements for stealth. If you think this interpretation is incorrect, please point out exactly where it breaks for you. Looking on page 188, I see that there are two conditions to attempt a stealth check: 1. cover/concealment 2...
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    Stealth in Combat

    Mechanically it might not make a difference. Either way: You don't know where they are. If you knew they were out there, you don't forget that they are out there - but you're not sure where. I think a lot of the confusion is due to the list of different items for success and the lack of...
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    Stealth in Combat

    Page 188. Success: you avoid notice, UNHEARD and hidden from view. Also in the fluff description of the skill: "slink past guards, slip away without being noticed and sneak up on people without being seen or heard."
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    Stealth in Combat

    Please tell me again where in stealth does it say that being unobserved is a requirement to be stealthed. No where on page 188 does it say "must be unobserved" to be stealthed. Only the stealth doubters are suggesting that so many die rolls are required. Preventing awareness and/or...
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    Stealth in Combat

    Xorn's second option invents a requirement - to be unobserved - that doesn't exist in the rules. In fact there is a direct contradiction: Opposed Checks: Stealth vs. Perception (see the table for modifiers to your check). If there are multiple observers, your Stealth check is opposed by each...
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    Stealth in Combat

    You have my vote. Then there is the whole OTHER set of questions arising from how someone can/can't target you. (Sigh.) I've gone through that on the WoTC forums. Granted, the rules could spell out some things more clearly or given more examples. But it is still amazing how so different an...
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    Stealth in Combat

    Minor correction to this last bit: Until the perceiver takes a minor action, the only die rolls are from the stealther. This is per the PHB and Mearls's post. I disagree with other parts of your interpretation, but I'm not going to argue. The 'discussion' seems to have the eyes of the...
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    Stealth in Combat

    MEARLS HAS SPOKEN ... in this post on the WoTC forums. And in response to a question by Machus regarding the rogue exploit, deft strike: And again at the end of the thread: Happy skulking!
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    What the heck does Hidden mean!!

    Page 188: Stealth: Part of whatever action you are trying to perform stealthily The stealth ACTION is part of another action during which you are trying to keep hidden. Success: You avoid notice, unheard and hidden from view. If you later attack or shout, you’re no longer hidden. If you...
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    Item Creation Rituals - several points

    The magic of the re-sizing ritual creates a larger suit of armor - not more metal ;) If conservation of mass applies to magic at all, it applies to the whole process - from the beginning suit of armor. When the industrious player melts down his formerly halfing, now giant sized suit of...
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    Magic Weapons and Keyword Inheritance

    You are sending the magic through an item of cold magic? It's all patently odd, really. I asked CS. And the CSR replied
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    Warlock + Shadow Walk + Stealth...

    Should have been in my first post. The Importance of Not Being Seen. Which demonstrates the value of cover for stealth. PS to Innuit. Thanks for having my back. ;)
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    Warlock + Shadow Walk + Stealth...

    There is no fluff for the Shadow Walk ability, so whether you gather shadows or partially walk into the Shadowfell is not described. You could be disappearing. Here is a post that asks your question to Wizard customer service. The poster Innuit at the WoTC forum's summed it up very...
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