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Epic is mentioned in the book I think but WotC didn't want to go the route of wanting people to need ELH to play the game. That is pretty fair back then. The only thing is this can't be used as an excuse at this time because you can get the rules for free. Even if you don't want to play Epic...

Complete Epic Game Greyhawk CS Planescape CS Dark Sun CS Ravenloft CS (not that boring drivel S&S gave us) Tome of Magic support Blood Wars

You mean there are other RPGs out there?

I have so say then like before, you can use any ol' stats that are around that level and take the rest of the fluff from any epic version. The problem as I see it is that this is a place that the epic rules had a place they could shine. Yes, epic play is the minority but that doesn't mean...

So what you are saying is, "I only play to 20th level so I want to beat everything. It's not enought that there are a billion and one creature out there for me to go against. I want these ones. Oh, a btw to hell with those guys why want any kind of epic support, they have 10 or so things to...

Oops you're right, for some reason I typed them in backwards. No, she wouldn't be a deity as she wasn't in the original. CR21 was just to be cute. But let me asked you, if someone publishe an adventure like that, wouldn't you miff you if the put her at 21?

I guess you have never had that guy in the group, you know him, his name is Rules Lawyer. Well, regardless of how you treat your game, Mr. RL can be very annoying. As a DM, I really don't want to deal with RL because I tweaked Orcus to the power level the authors suggest he should already be...

Yeah, it was sad really, after everything, the culmination just seemed very anti climatic. If I was to do it as an adventure path today it would be a sweet 1-30 path. 1-10 decent 11-20 Against the giants 21-30 Demon Web Of course it would still be anti climatic because she would be statted as...

Leaving epic out of this. I'm sorry but I don't buy D&D as some kind of video game where you can beat everything sorry. It's a fantasy World, not meatal gear or mario v10.7.

May or my not have, I haven't looked at it in a long while, but it is very safe to say she didn't have the kind of stats even close to any being in DDG.

I would like to point out that Lolth at the time was "just" the Demon Queen of Spiders, and not a goddess at that time. i.e. she was a demon lord. I would also like to note that there really wasn't some kind of system for creating or measuring relative power levels back then. Heck by 15th...

No, I see no problem with that balor. I think the problem is that they delibrately took something that should be just out of reach and made it just another MOB.

I think he meant something like a buff. Someone who makes everyone else better just by being there. It is often said the bard is the best 5th character option in a campaign when the other four have been filled. Tank/Arcane/Divine/Stealth .... Buff.

I can take a stab at this if you would like. Late in Greyhawk way after Gary left the company, Rary who was at the time part of the Circle of Eight. He ended up betraying the circle and killing a number of it's meber who have since then been replaced.

At this point I haven't played a game at that power level, but why would you want to kill one of these guys as a campaign ending event when you have an great wrym red dragon over the rise? After all, the dragon is the bigger threat.

Hey, you want to make some major unique demons of CR19-CR23 for end games, fine. My problem is when you start calling such weaklings Orcus, Demogorgon and such.

Mongoose has an Epic monster book coming out. I hope it's better than the monster books they released last year. Problem with them is they are so hit and miss.

If there were 3 versions at different points of power I wouldn't mind. Hell, if there was a version in a book of CR40 and I know my player's/character's would never nead, I wouldn't mind. I do mind nerfing very much though. I would rather have these beings be something I'm more than likely...

That would have added pages to this uber slim tome! Come on! $30 for 160 pages. If anyone hasn't noticed, the WotC books have been maintaining price while losing page count. This is what I call hidden inflation. Not only that, there has been a big drop in the quality of what is being...

Here's my take on it. Yes the epic rules are optional, but as mentioned all rules are optional. Hey, if fighters in your world have on d4s they guess what that's your call. If spells only go up to level 5, again that's your call. Everything is optional. Here's what get me ticked though. Not...