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That is part of the discussion/ issue. I see them as two very distinct things. Psionics: Cannot be dispelled, counterspelled, or subject to antimagic shell, etc. Should be random to begin, but cultivated later on through training and experience. Should be limited in scope, but significant in...

I started doing this myself last night, but psionics is so broad that I found my list of psionic or subclass-allowable spells growing too large... which lead me here. Psionics are a very broad concept, so it's understable why people have a hard time agreeing or nailing things down.

On the surface I think something like "shooting fire or ice with their mind" is a sort of hybrid power: a combination of molecular manipulation (speed up molecules to ignite, stop them completely to "freeze") and then telekinesis to "throw them". That would be my take, and I think an...

To make them something other than wizards. Wasn't that the point of the other thread, about what people want from psionics?

It depends on the edition, and what is allowable by wish in that edition and that DM. There are certainly psionic powers in 1E that are NOT covered by any 1E spells--in fact, a number of powers really. This is very subjective. There are many things magic cannot do in 5E, for instance, depending...

I am hoping in a week or so once I have a lot of responses I can create a fairly exhaustive list and then make a poll so we can see if certain powers fall within the realm of psionics by here or not. I think it is a common enough trope to make it, personally.

Great! What is your list of powers then? :)

Mostly I agree, but I think for many people it would already have overlapped magic before the end game. And I think that is also part of the issue with the psion. Psionic-like powers were given to other spellcasters from the beginning because there was no psion really (except the AD&D appendix...

Fair enough, but I am hoping to get as exhaustive a list as possible just to see what we view as psionically capable. In general terms, probably, but in 5E terms where we seek some degree of class balance somehow, it can't be much more a force of nature than other classes at capstone levels I...

And I'm not a superhero person, but doesn't Jean Grey as the Pheonix do any fire stuff???

Right, but we (the community at large) might also want pyrokinesis and biokinesis, so they shouldn't be excluded, should they?

Sure, but there is a lot within those tropes. For example, Telepathy. Does that include: Communcation? Non-humanoid communication? Reading thoughts? Implanting throughts? Emotions as well as thoughts? Controling other creatures? Implanting dreams? and such... The list could be twice that...

Form the Psionics: What Do You Want thread I am interested in a comprehensive list of all the sorts of power we (as a community) think psions should be capable of doing. Anyone want to start it off? I wouldn't attempt it, because I know my depth of knowledge on this is too shallow, but I am...

Been thinking about this a lot... reading the other threads, reviewing psionics from AD&D, etc. I think describing the role and powers a psion could have would be most helpful, but I also think this is where it would break down, too. There's just too much that could be possible and fall under...

I played a Psionicist in 2E, and only twice had PCs with psionics in 1E (one it was a curse, I had it but so few points and powers that it became a liability and left me open to psionics from creatures I wasn't strong enough to have much of a chance against; the other time it was a mixed bag)...

Having psionics in 1E and being a Psionicist in 2E felt nothing like being a magic-user, cleric, druid, mage, priest or anything like them in my experience. The systems were very different in many ways, which you even outline, so I don't see how you can fee they were "practically spellcasters in...

You also didn't change the form object names in some cases like here: If you click the last failure diamond, the darkvision, blindsight, truesight, and dead all select as well. Also, FYI, the tab order is all over the place if you want to straighten that out or not? I went through and numbered...