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    [EDITION WARZ] Selling Out D&D's Soul?

    I don't feel that any version of D&D comes even close to simulating real life combat in a a fashion even approaching realism. Ever been in a fistfight? :D Who takes initiative doesn't really matter, good punches do. You can't use 'realism' to defend seperate intiative rolls. D&D is a horrendous...
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    [EDITION WARZ] Selling Out D&D's Soul?

    I'm not familiar with OD&D, I understand B/X though. The original D&D is something I have had no exposure to. I cut my teeth on 1e. Are we counting the UA as core, for the purpose of this discussion? There is a pretty big bump to giants and dragons between 1e and 2e, and I prefer the 2e...
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    [EDITION WARZ] Selling Out D&D's Soul?

    Initiative is pretty relative in all editions. That's one of my big beefs with Gygax. I like the guy a hell of a lot, but his writing is esoteric as hell at times. The 1e books are fun to read, and are great at teaching a DM the very basics of running a role playing game, but Gary seems to...
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    [EDITION WARZ] Selling Out D&D's Soul?

    MY mistake. I did make a pretty lighthearted comment regarding 3e to another grognard about 3e monsters. It was intentionally silly and not meant to be any kind of real argument. I'm not going to apologize for it, though. It's a harmless statement. I'm not asking for apologies either. But if...
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    [EDITION WARZ] Selling Out D&D's Soul?

    Collectible card games ARE crap in my opinion. You will never see me at a Yu-gi-oh board. I find them to be boring marketing devices. I hope that the boy isn't so impressionable as to take the word of a stranger as law. He can like what he wants. If some kid is really going to take my opinion...
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    [EDITION WARZ] Selling Out D&D's Soul?

    I already said that sales and fashionability are not indicative of quality.
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    [EDITION WARZ] Selling Out D&D's Soul?

    That's why I bought one. I never said a Corrolla was crap, Hussar. That's your own inference. A Model T was disposable as well, and was not crap for it's time. A disposable car is a damn good thing, because you aren't out $60,000 when it gives up on you. It will last around 15 years without any...
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    [EDITION WARZ] Selling Out D&D's Soul?

    The Corrolla sold so well because it is cheap. Japanese cars are disposable, your drive them into the ground and buy another one. There may be a couple of exceptions, as I'm sure some Fast and The Furious knucklehead will poin out to me, but for the most part that is how it is. Not really a good...
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    [EDITION WARZ] Selling Out D&D's Soul?

    to further illustrate: "TV PARTY TONIGHT! WE GOT NOTHIN' BETTER TO DO THAN WATCH TV AND HAVE A COUPLE OF BREWS!" -Black Flag vs. "Cry me a river. Oh. Cry me a river. Oh. Cry me a river. Oh." -Justin Timberlake You be the judge.
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    [EDITION WARZ] Selling Out D&D's Soul?

    I can't, Mialee! I just used Uber Munchkin Great Cleave, and I'm shooting for my Epic Perv prestige class! Ohhh, look out! An abyssal/fiendish/dragonwrought/aberrant/half kobold/half dragon/half vampire/bad anime adaptation/Dire Koala! Assist, Lidda! And it's accompanied by a Gelatinous Cube...
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    Poll for "homebrew" DMs

    I worked on my setting for one year before I even play tested it, and for six months before it was ready for actual play. I wanted it perfected before it was unleashed. Societies with tech levels from Bronze Age to Rennaissance are featured. 7 different cultures of humans. 9 unique languages...
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    [EDITION WARZ] Selling Out D&D's Soul?

    I dunno about that, Crothian. There's nothing wrong with occasoinally forgetting how a spell works and asking the player to remind you. It saves time, you won't have to look the rule up. Most of my players have not been interested in "winning" at AD&D as much as playing. Good players are an...
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    [EDITION WARZ] Selling Out D&D's Soul?

    Well said Raven. The only point I disagree on is #4. I believe the players should behave like adults, and go with the flow. So should the DM. I don't think you should be GIVEN what you want, you should have to help CREATE what you want.
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    [EDITION WARZ] Selling Out D&D's Soul?

    I love Pharoah, but I'm surprised you think it's less rail-roady than Scourge of the Slavelords. Mind explaining?
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    [EDITION WARZ] Selling Out D&D's Soul?

    What? I was agreeing with someone else, so my argument is irrelevant? I felt that CR was counter-productive to what i try to accomplish, and you start referring me to a system I don't really care for? Are you picking a fight with me or something? P&P just answered a question I posed at...
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    [EDITION WARZ] Selling Out D&D's Soul?

    Well, I agree with your larger point, P&P. Encounters and challenges that are not specifically crafted to the adventuring party, and are sometimes insurmountable, give the overall impression of a living breathing fantasy world. Plot is something that should be crafted more by the players than...
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    [EDITION WARZ] Selling Out D&D's Soul?

    Thanks, Kormy. That, however, is not a condemnation of 3e. It's a condemnation of an attitude that many DM's, regardless of edition, are guilty of. Even myself at times.
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    [EDITION WARZ] Selling Out D&D's Soul?

    "Vanilla monsters?" I've beat the urine out of 20th level characters using goblins, kolbolds, and quicklings. Using AD&D. I've had players completely baffled by invisible stalkers, ghosts, and dopplegangers. I've made 25th level AD&D characters think twice about charging an Orc encampment...
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    [EDITION WARZ] Selling Out D&D's Soul?

    I don't mean this to be rude, but have you ever played AD&D 1e or 2e, B/X D&D, Hackmaster, The Arcanum, or Dragonfist (non-d20)? The mechanics are not the same. Combat, saving throws, Armor Class, and a host of others have seriously been overhauled for 3e. They are basically the same in all...
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    [EDITION WARZ] Selling Out D&D's Soul?

    Well said, Kormy!
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