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yeah thats pretty much what is going on. we have come across a few other things like that as well. Boils down to we have been doing my flurry of blows/knockdown/improved trip extra attack all wrong ( I haven't been adding the +4, I have been getting counter trip attempts, and I have been...

I just looked in my sword and fist and that line isn't there. We have had instances where two copies of the same book differed. This may be one of them will have to gather all the copies of Sword and fist at the gaming table saturday and get the DM to rule on it. [rant on] Some consistancy...

Ya know I thought about continuing to play the "things that can not form intent can not be anything other than nuetral" game. or the "if a (insert usually mindless and evil creature) does nothing but good things what alignment is it" game but somehow I don't think either of us really wants to...

Of the three options I feel option 3: neither conforms the most to my belief. Yes they Mete out divine justice upon evil beings. Yes they must do that WHILE MAINTAINING a sense of Honour, justice, duty, loyalty, truth et al. They are paragons of virtue (or strive to be) The life they lead is...

Depends on how you define cheat. My opinion is it is impossible for a GM to cheat given that Rule 0 is sacrosanct. If you are making up the rules you can't break them. Can a GM do things that are unethical of course she can, but should do so sparringly. In the game I am a player in I don't...

I would go a tad harsher than the "two pushups" scenario and somewhat less than "take this ring to the fires of Mt. Doom"

I voted yes even though I am sure that no will win. I would have liked to have seen a third "reprimanded, some loss and atonement" option. The perp deserved death that is not in question. The girl did not deserve to be raped that too is not in question. Did she deserve to be splattered with...

No not forever, not even for very long, perhaps not even all of it, and perhaps he should be the only one to know. Some sort of penance, prayers, atonement (not necessarily the spell). Perhaps some bad dreams showing him the possible outcomes of rash activity, perhaps an "audience" with his...

Really ? I am not calling you a liar or implying that you are kidding I just have never seen anything besides your post stating that they can't be used together. Would like to know why and where that was written. I would hate to think I was doing it incorrectly. I will change this action...

I am still fairly certain (though it has no bearing on enhancements stacking) That a sword that is "good" being driven through the chest of a LG paladin by a BBEG isn't furthering the cause of "good". I am also fairly certain that a Skeleton that is serving bread to orphans isn't evil.

The Paladin needs to be honorable because society ESPESCIALLY in a grim and gritty campaign needs to see that there are HEROES out there standing for them. That not everyone is out to be self-serving and making back room deals. The Paladin needs to hold himself to a higher standard and not take...

Yes legally he was probably eight to do what he did. That doesn't show me that attacking a much weaker foe, that is unaware of your presence from behind is honorable, and paladins are supposed to be honorable. Robin Hood wasn't a paladin, neither is Nomad (from marvel) Wolverine is close but...

6 seconds is long enough to decide to swing a sword, or decide to throw him away from the girl. My gut reaction would honestly be to get perp as far away from victim as possible as quickly as possible. hauling him away does that and saves her from seeing me gut the bastard when he tries to run.

The paladin's honor as it is (or should be) a huge part of what makes him who he is. But neither needed to be in jeopardy. Grabbing the perp and hauling or tossing him away from the child negates the "what if he quickdrew and killed her" argument Seeing a decapitation isn't severe for a 10...

I agreed that you don't kill an orc that you sneak up on either. If it has it's back to you and has not engaged in combat, hasn't even noticed your presence you make it notice by warning it to stop, applying subdual damage or grabbing it. A dragon actively in combat with something is a much...

How was the DM ganging up on the paladin? There was a better more honorable way out of the situation. The player was warned and choose to follow through with an attack unannounced from behind which was neither honorable nor chivalrous and in so doing likely caused further trauma to the child...

Police can not shoot to kill an unarmed person. That being said RL analogies don't hold water. And incidentally for the most part "the game world" isn't "back then" it's "over there"

Of course I don't believe I should be able to smite you from behind unannounced for finding you just before you commit a crime. Yes rape is bad and I am not suggesting otherwise. Being raped as your first sexual encounter is even MORE heinous. Being raped subsequent times IS not as shocking or...

But no matter what attacking an unarmed, unaware, tangled in his own clothing, with his "wand" in one hand, and obviously distracted foe no matter how vile with lethal force is NOT an HONORABLE thing to do. He brought dishonor to himself, his church, and his deity. He murdered the perpetrator...

Gee I hope the original poster wasn't looking for a quick easy unanimous thread.