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    Was V's act evil? (Probable spoilers!)

    What is the difference between doing it one at a time with a sword, or all at once with a spell. They dragons are still just as dead, one way takes longer. Which is better motivation "my deity said go forth and rid the world of all things distasteful to me " or "my mate and children whom I love...
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    Was V's act evil? (Probable spoilers!)

    Since I am prohibited from using some excellent modern examples of people who have some nicely framed pieces of paper from highly touted educational institutions who have acted counter to what it is you are saying I will instead give you two words and ask you a question. the two words Civis...
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    Was V's act evil? (Probable spoilers!)

    I quoted Untouchables because Rich did in the title. The target left to impress however is the same one that posters are saying now poses a problem for V and her family. That being "the kith and kin of the kin that was just slain". There could also be Tiamat but what she will do about this has...
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    Was V's act evil? (Probable spoilers!)

    I don't see the contradiction (which isn't that odd considering I'm the one who said it first in this thread but not the first ever) Combat, war, if you will, should not be something entered into lightly. It is a grave undertaking and should not be anywhere near the top of the list of "how do...
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    Was V's act evil? (Probable spoilers!)

    There are a number of heads of state (former and current) of varying countries, creeds, and ethnicitys I would like to introduce you to.
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    Was V's act evil? (Probable spoilers!)

    Thank you for calling me a moron. I rather appreciate it. What would you have done in Her position ? You don't know how long you'll have the power to act, you can't cast divine spells, when your power fades anything you cast before hand will eventually fade with it. It has been shown that at...
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    Was V's act evil? (Probable spoilers!)

    I don't think I am using them interchangeably at all. I don't care if she was happy sad or just doing the business that needed doing. I am not considering her "feelings" on the matter. I am looking at what was done and finding it was a logical and understandable thing to do. you were the one to...
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    Was V's act evil? (Probable spoilers!)

    Are you sure about that Mark ? Would you say most people of reasonable intellect would share that position ?
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    Was V's act evil? (Probable spoilers!)

    Really ? I posit that if the dragons stopped coming after you killed one then THIS fight never would have taken place. If black dragon's didn't come seeking revenge (and upping the price of poker along the way) then this black dragon wouldn't have come seeking revenge against V's family for V...
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    Was V's act evil? (Probable spoilers!)

    And I'll consider myself lucky to never meet anyone who thinks it's fine and dandy to want to kill my wife and kids because their brother and I got in a bar fight.
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    Was V's act evil? (Probable spoilers!)

    How , precisely, does the frame of mind or emotional response of the killer change the results of the action ? Grandma or 64 dragon's are no less or no more dead than they otherwise would have been had the killer been angry or morose instead of gleeful. The reason for it being that "obfuscated"...
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    Was V's act evil? (Probable spoilers!)

    But according to many fine enworlders being the "most effective you can be" is the "only goodrightfun" way to play. It is always "good" to protect you and yours from threats both clear and present , and vague and distant (and some would argue real and imagined).
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    Was V's act evil? (Probable spoilers!)

    Seriously, are you saying that if entity A kills entity B for a perfectly reasonable ummm reason and then entity B's family member entity B1 humiliates entity A and threatens with death and eternal torture (and indeed plans to carry out said threat) entity A's family (in what is clearly NOT a...
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    Was V's act evil? (Probable spoilers!)

    Except we already know that 1 relative of 1 black dragon that was slain in fair (enough) combat came seeking vengeance not just on the slayer (V) but on V's family. What is the best way to make sure another family member doesn't try that or worse again ?
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    oots 639

    Except Tiamat knew (or should have known) this was coming vis a vis the oracle and did nothing to stop it's happening, like telling the ABD "um no darling this will set off all kinds of trouble" Seriously if you killed Bobby in a "relatively" fair fight (or are we saying the slaying of the...
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    Was V's act evil? (Probable spoilers!)

    I voted not evil, then saw this post to glom on to before going much further. V killed a black dragon who was in combat with her party. A family member of said dragon went to great ends to find her, humiliate her in battle then attack her family because it thought she was powerless to stop it...
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    oots 639

    the young adult black dragon was killed by V. At that point the Ancient didn't know who V was. The ancient then found out about V and came after her. Nothing precludes this from carrying on ad infinitum with the rest of the young adult or ancient black dragons family. While I like the premise...
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    DM'ing is a skill, not an art.

    I type alot of things, some purposefully disingenuous, some playing devil's advocate, some just to foster the continuation of conversation and idea exchange. The following is none of those, it is unadulterated truth about how I feel regarding the quoted post. I honestly can not say I have ever...
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    DM'ing is a skill, not an art.

    1) I've no particular axe to grind against yaris don't know him , makes no difference to me 2) I find that part of that module to be poorly written. IF the drainage happened at the same time every day like clockwork in as phenomenal a way as has been described here (after the fact) then...
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    DM'ing is a skill, not an art.

    Yay let's use the fact that a player has a high perception against them. Do you also point out which flower in a field has the largest stamen, or the heights and weights of everyone in a village, the general size and consistency of dragon droppings ? a high perception would notice those things...
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