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Side note: I am not overly concerned with the BAB used for Ray spells. I suggested spell DC minus 10 (+ BAB if they have melee class levels), which already includes an adjustment for their casting stat. This might be a tad favorable, but anyways that's a minor detail in my overall insane plan...

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There are several AD&D threads going. I would love to play in a campaign, but I don't enjoy anything but live. I have been looking at everyone's location, and so far no NYC other than me. So sad. Oh well, I am pretty busy anyway right now - but definitely inspired to try to start AD&D over the...

Caster BAB vs. melee BAB is not a world of difference. zero BAB vs. melee BAB is a world of difference. Just sayin. First, let me say I am not married to the zero BAB concept, it just popped into my head the other evening. That said, the point isn't to make casters zero BAB, the point is to...

I am not aware of any resources like that for 1E and 2E, but this will at least get you started.

Agreed. But I do think it's an interesting mechanic to mess with. I don't think casters would actually miss the BAB at all (assuming you agree to a fix on range touch spells). Once the casters are stripped, you can give bonuses based on it to non-casters. Yes, this is a problem. I would...

Go to full spell list and search for DR.

I like that as a house rule. Now, combine that with zero BAB and you will have quite a mess on your hands...

RUMBLETiGER I highly value your opinion, but I strongly disagree with a lot of this. See post 18 above.

Spells always work on a second set of rules. If a melee'er wants to hit a square with a flask of alchemist's fire, they must roll to hit. If a caster wants to hit a square with a fireball, they say "I hit that square with my fireball." Having a different way of doing ranged touch spells is not...

Yes, this is correct. The true way to fix the balance is likely to make casting times and interruptions more like 1E. But the idea here is a multi-step process. First, you give casters zero BAB. Then, you tie additional benefits to BAB (see the OP)> For instance, if you got one additional...

They still get BAB, it's just zero. Note that one thing missing from your list of "every class gets" is spells. If casters get spells and melee'ers don't, what do melee'ers get that casters don't? Not sure why casters need BAB (other than the aforementioned ranged touch spells, for which we...

I think this is a bit of a tangent, so this will be my last post on the side topic of injecting realism into the "zero BAB" approach - if you want realism, D&D is not your game. My proposal is to change a game mechanic to inject more balance between classes. If I wanted to do it through realism...

But fighters survive over 100 magically enhanced fights without learning anything about how magic works? Interesting perspective...

I love this. But, obviously, DM can fluff it as s/he likes - maybe the guisarme takes the enemy's lower legs off at the calves, severing two major arteries and it bleeds out in seconds.

Yes, two people have now raised this flaw in my evil master plan. Let's say your base BAB for ranged touch spells is equal to the spell DC minus 10?

I am coming late to this party, but here are a couple of personal observations: 1) I have played in three 3.X campaigns. Never had an issue with the "20 min workday" until the current campaign. Now, it is the DM that encourages it. We like the risk and immersement presented by...

This is disturbing...

Melee guys get no spells (ignore the exceptions for now, those spells suck anyways), so why should casters get BAB? Have full casters get ZERO BAB. Forever. Then give bonuses based on BAB (like bigger 5' steps as in the other thread, breaking the action economy, etc.). Just a thought...

Your logic is flawed: 1) In D&D specific rules override general rules. The general rule is that the damage on the table is dealt by a successful hit. The specific rule is that this damage is reduced by damage reduction. 2) You are asserting that the contra-positive of the general rule, after it...