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There's been plenty of antagonism in this thread. I've been responsible for my share of it... as has just about everyone involved. My point was not just the antagonism. It's the antagonism combined with ignorance. If I genuinely don't know something, I don't try to tell those who seem to know...

Oh, I’m not surprised by that at all. I’ve never played that way, even in the AD&D days. Sometimes you have to discuss things as players and you should do so. I think it’s good to remind players to make that distinction at times. Amazingly, the confusion was all on the part of folks who...

Maybe read the whole book is my point. It adds context throughout. Maybe the rest of the text will help you recognize why your reading of that one section is off. Because that’s kind of the point of the thread. How could D&D do things differently. How is this not clear at this point? This...

Read the book for yourself and then at least your opinion will have weight. I don’t think anyone has said that. I know what I’ve explained to you is that this thread is about the conservatism of D&D fans and by extension, the game itself. So… again… it seems perfectly reasonable to look at...

That's what you think, huh? That when Vince and Meg Baker wrote Apocalypse World, that they said "we need some marketing phrases that can be used in online discussion" rather than "we need to provide a list of useful guidelines to playing this game"? Not that they just tried to write the game...

In the game in question, there wasn’t really any option to negotiate their action declarations. The issue was a cliff that they needed to climb, and I provided all the relevant info, including DV and the consequence on a failure. They knew all this before they rolled. The point of sharing it...

That was not the situation, though. It wasn't that there were no consequences and the character could try again and again. What I did was not what you are describing.

Like I said, Max... time to shrug and move on. Very little of what you said above makes sense to me. All I can do is recommend that you read Apocalypse World or Monsterhearts and pay extra attention to the principles and everything they say, and what their purpose is. I think that would go a...

If the thief succeeds on the roll and opens the lock successfully, then the cook is either not there because she wasn't brought by the sound, or is there but unaware of the thief opening the door. I haven't explained why the thief becomes a keystone cop because I haven't said that they would...

I curse the name of the person that taught you what a Red Herring is. No, because on a success, the thief was quiet enough to not draw her attention. I feel like someone dosed me. The principle as it appears in Monsterhears is "Make each main character's life not boring". That's literally...

No. As it was my game, I'm going to explain it to you. I already have done that, but I know this is a long thread with many different tangents... but after this clarification, I am going to expect you to proceed accordingly. I don't want to see you describing my example of play in a way other...

Wait... you don't?!!?

I don’t know. I’m asking you because I don’t recall you having commented on it. Feel free to comment on either. For number 2, I don’t think I agree about what’s in peoples’ minds before hand. But I also think that there are different approaches and it doesn’t really make sense to judge one...

You originally posted the below, which is what I responded to. Any instance of lock picking will have circumstances that matter to how the GM would resolve it, depending on the roll and procedures. If you’re instead asking for an example of fail forward from a recent game, I offered the...

Such as what? It depends on so many factors. There’s not one answer. You use your creativity combined with whatever has been established to come up with something. Without context, there’s no way to give you an answer. But if the cook shows up in play, it’s because the GM introduced the...

Isn’t that the same for the folks who live in the home being broken into? Something else? Something that makes sense based on the context?

Yeah, I love when stuff like that happens. Why do you consider one "just popping into existence" but the others are present and "exist" all along?

You know what also helps? The fact that we've read the texts and therefore understand the concepts of what "level" can mean. And even still... it can cause confusion in conversation. Now... imagine we didn't read the book and have at best a second-hand understanding of the context, and yet for...

So you don't want something like that? One of the most memorable moments in gaming history?

I think the idea of "fan" as it applies to "be a fan of the characters" is more the way we can be a fan of a fictional character rather than a sports team. Like with a fictional character, we're pulling for them... we want them to make it... we want to see them pull through in the end. But we...