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Oh I can accept that because people are saying it… I don’t think anyone is lying. But I also expect that most folks would say that, per the rules of procedures of 5e, the GM can simply introduce an NPC whenever they want. So using a player roll that fails to take the opportunity to do so...

I’m still failing to see how successful lock picking would go undetected by potential observers. That would absolutely seem to be part of the lock picker’s skill. Sure, I see that distinction. It seems a very pointless one to make, though. It’s still a roll of dice that determines the presence...

That may be because I’m not following your logic at all… but I’ll try and clarify. Let’s say the NPCs are in location A. You’re saying they are there whether the random encounter roll is a yes or a no… that either way, that’s where they are. You’ve also said that the roll doesn’t determine...

Right but some of us are pointing out the inconsistency of attributing the cook’s presence to the roll, and then say that a wandering monster is not determined by the roll. In the case of the cook, you’re focusing on the real world reason for her being there… the die roll. But with the...

How do the locations of both the NPCs and the PCs remain the same when and encounter is both indicated and not indicated. They’re both in the same location… no?

Perhaps it does, though. It’s on the GM to have the outcome make sense. So with the cook, the GM has to come up with a sensible explanation… this is why many of us mentioned having her hear the lockpick attempt and so on. It very much seems to me that you and some other posters have decided...

So the wandering monster roll determines the PCs’ location not the monsters? That seems weird. I would think if the roll indicates a wandering monster or random encounter, then the monster or NPCs are in the location of the PCs and they meet one another. If the roll indicates no encounter, then...

So the lockpick roll… I’d use one roll to determine the outcome overall. I wouldn’t require a lockpick and then a stealth roll to pick the lock quietly, and then a stealth roll to open the door, and another to move quietly over to the cook. I actually ran a 5e oneshot this weekend because I...

I don’t know. I’ve accurately described both. There are those of us who don’t require that every game we play work a specific way. Like the cook! You know what I’ve never had to do when I see a patch of grass? I’ve never had to ask anyone else how tall it was. I could just see it for myself...

Well, I recall earlier in the thread where I described sandbox play as being GM focused. And that opinion was met with resistance. Not this “ah well we all have preferences and opinions and we should just accept that” attitude. Strange. Especially since my comments have at least been about a...

The “we” thing is causing confusion again. @AlViking repeatedly asked if the guard would have shown up in @pemerton ‘s game on a successful roll. When he wasn’t provided with an answer, he pointed it out several times. That’s what I was addressing, and the continued insistence that the guard...

You may or may not know the specifics. You know what’s desired… but the surrounding details aren’t specified until the roll occurs and then the GM establishes the fiction. So in @pemerton ‘s example, if the dice had come up a success, the guard still may have made an appearance… it just would...

But as we’ve seen with the cook and the burning house examples, any number of alternate possibilities can be offered. If the roll was successful, perhaps the guard shows up, having heard the song, and because of the quality of singing, offers help to the singer. @AlViking assumes a specific...

There is no way to know if a guard would have arrived onna success. He doesn’t know that. We don’t know what didn’t happen.

Do you not understand that asking @pemerton what would have happened on a success in his example is not a comparison of two games? It is a question about a specific game, and it is one that makes no sense… because as I stated, we can only guess what may have happened if the roll succeeded...

What? Says who? I don’t think there’s only one way to handle that in D&D. There’s certainly not only one way to handle it in RPGs. Again, this is not true for all D&D. Certainly there are methods and means used to create dynamic environments where NPCs will move about or can be found in...

I didn't say things go badly with a success. I said that it's possible the cook is still there. She may be in the kitchen, unaware that anyone has just broken in. She may be near the kitchen, in her quarters sleeping, unperturbed by the break in attempt. But that's the thing... only one...

How do you know that? First… you’re making the same mistake as @AlViking above. You’re assuming you know what would have happened on a successful check. You don’t. Second… it’s the same situation. A player did something and that prompted the GM to introduce an NPC to the situation. In one...

But all those things could be attributed to the punch in the eye. If the guy who hot the windshield is in recovery after plastic surgery and someone says “what happened” do you think he’s gonna leave out the fight that caused the accident? If he said “some idiot punched someone, and then...

Yes, I have done that just to drive home the idea of events being related and how we’d view them outside of a game. I’ve asked for people to answer specific questions outside of the context of RPGs. But I only speak for myself. There’s no reason for you to interact with other people that way. I...