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    American Indians Colonize the Old world in 1250 BC

    That's pretty much it, I said it before but people pretty much glossed over it.
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    American Indians Colonize the Old world in 1250 BC

    The reason I give them an extra 2250 years is because the Americas of 1450 AD get sent back in time to 3500 BC, perhaps you missed that part of the explanation. The Indians continue as if nothing happened besides some strange lights in the sky, except that in 42 more years the Europeans don't...
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    American Indians Colonize the Old world in 1250 BC

    that is a different scenario. The Vikings of 1000 AD had bows and arrows just like the Indians did. Viking ships were not the best at transporting cattle or horses, so I suspect the Vikings in the New World didn't have them, and the fact that the Indians didn't have horses when Columbus...
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    American Indians Colonize the Old world in 1250 BC

    Barely. Gaelic is on life support. Ireland is mostly an English speaking country today.
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    American Indians Colonize the Old world in 1250 BC

    That was the Eastern Roman Empire also called Byzantium, the Western Roman Empire who's capitol was Rome ended during the Dark Ages, in 476 AD, the Dark Ages had already begun, what ended in 476 AD was a small remnant of the Western Roman Empire, and it could be argued that since the Eastern...
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    American Indians Colonize the Old world in 1250 BC

    Well you seem to have an agenda to get me, that is all I know! You don't seem to be here just to enjoy yourself, your on a mission, and I think its a very petty one.
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    American Indians Colonize the Old world in 1250 BC

    The Romans actually survived until the Dark Ages, the Eastern part of that Empire lasted longer, and for a time your country once called itself the "Holy Roman Empire." We mostly don't worship the same gods the Ancient Romans did before they adopted Christianity. Lots of things change in 2000...
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    American Indians Colonize the Old world in 1250 BC

    What can I say, you want to be offended and are trying very hard to be. Being offended should come naturally, you shouldn't need to try real hard to be offended so the moderators will shut people up! The Indians wouldn't be called Indians if they invaded the Old World, in which they will...
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    American Indians Colonize the Old world in 1250 BC

    That is the fun of it, telling your players to expect American Indians, and then you describe how uniformed troops of American Indians march off of their wooden ships, and all line up in formation with their muskets ready and begin firing their muskets in regular drill, that is...
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    American Indians Colonize the Old world in 1250 BC

    I guess you want to be offended don't you, cause you are looking for offense where none is intended. So how much does that job pay? Does someone pay you to look for offense or to be offended? Because I got a real job that pays real money, I don't look to be offended by every little thing...
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    American Indians Colonize the Old world in 1250 BC

    I have enough trouble just being creative, rather than going into the ins and outs of publishing. All the legal stuff puts a crimp on one's imagination. Trying to earn money doing this is something I have no experience in. My hope is that someone will find this discussion interesting and may run...
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    American Indians Colonize the Old world in 1250 BC

    I don't understand why you think it would have to be a culture that existed in 1450 AD, it would be similar to expecting that one of the cultures that existed at the time of Alexander the Great would be the dominant one today. The United States of America didn't exist at the time of Alexander...
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    American Indians Colonize the Old world in 1250 BC

    So you are saying that the Indians would find it insulting to suggest that they could ever have a more technologically advanced society on their own? Perhaps you should explain yourself! Why would it be an insult to suggest native Americans could invent Muskets, and that they would not always...
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    American Indians Colonize the Old world in 1250 BC

    Most such cultures wouldn't have survived 2250 years of technological progress, most of the languages that existed back then would have changed so as to be unrecognizable to most of the Indian tribes we know of today. Do you know of any culture or nation in Europe that survived 2250 of history...
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    American Indians Colonize the Old world in 1250 BC

    Well not exactly an industrial revolution, there are no steamships and factories in the New World, it is still largely agricultural, and they have advancements in gunpowder weapons, sailing ships, and navigation. The Indians have black smiths, gunsmiths, sword smiths, the technology is of the...
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    American Indians Colonize the Old world in 1250 BC

    I'm not sure they would still have tribes if they were as technically advanced as Columbus. What tribe did Columbus belong to? The minute someone says the word "tribe" I imagine someone wearing animal skins, face paint, and feathers and moccasins. Columbus didn't wear those things, I'm not sure...
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    American Indians Colonize the Old world in 1250 BC

    You can go less wrong if there is less to know. Most of the Indian's culture would be fictional and speculative, after 2250 years, there is no real wrong answer as to what they would be, as we just don't know, we have to make it up as we go along. 1000 CE is only 500 years before Columbus, and...
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    American Indians Colonize the Old world in 1250 BC

    What level of technology did Columbus have? I believe Columbus lived in the late Renaissance, that is the technology he had at his disposal, his troops had armor, but also carried guns. This is what they looked like, after about 100 years they dispensed with the armor and wore uniforms, the...
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    American Indians Colonize the Old world in 1250 BC

    Why would the American Indian be any different? When Europeans encountered them, they were at a disadvantage, they are human beings and have the same base motivations that other people do. American Indians have had their own empires, the Aztec Empire was one of them, who's to say what new...
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    American Indians Colonize the Old world in 1250 BC

    A lot of additional culture would have to be invented for the Indians, as we're assuming 2225 years of additional history for them. I don't think many Indians would be much offended about the assumptions we're making about them. Most of these assumptions are positive, that they can invent and...
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