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Interesting read @AbdulAlhazred Are you saying that when Mearls tried to "save" it with Essentials, he was actually doing the wrong thing, or?

Thank's! I'll be sure to check them out.

That's so nice of you. Perhaps I'll take you up on your word some day 👍🏼😁

Yeah that's what I fear. I bought the PF2 rulebook, but it didn't really click for me. Perhaps I'll try it some day.

How do you compare it to PF2? If am not mistaken, you have written a bit about PF2, and both PF2 and 4e seems to lean towards doing tactical battle, having interesting monsters etc.

Can you recommend a good beginner adventure that nicely introduces the 4e way of thinking?

A revised edition would be awesome, although extremely unlikely.

Burn 🔥😁 Funny thing is though, that coming from 5e and reading the 4e rules, it's striking how many rules in 5e are 4e stuff with different presentation, and especially different nomenclature.

Never heard of it. Gonna take a look 🤔

Thanks man! I am totally aware of the "issues" about 4th put forth by the community. I am just so curious about it. Back in the day I played 2e, and then I didn't play any RPGs for over 20 years, and then I got back into it a few years back with 5e. So I was "away" for the whole 4e debacle, and...

Yes, I am gonna get the books. The site is just for nice referencing and searching. I have bought the PHB and DMG from Aamzon (used). Thanks for the input. Pretty crazy they had to tweak the monsters that much. Yeah, it seems they had some problems nailing the format down. Like you I have...

Thanks the replies, really appreciate all the tips. 💪🏻 I am thinking about limiting the options to the first PHB (for starters anyway). And for ease of reference there's this: Offline Compendium Also as mentioned in my post, we'll be using Roll20 and the sheet there seems serviceable, also I...

I am considering demoing a 4e game soon when we are done with our current 5e campaign. We are having a blast with 5e but our group really likes doing tactical combats between the role playing. Hence I am looking at 4e as a possibility. Is it still feasible in this day and age? We are using...

So far bought all of the 5e books. Don't think I'm ever gonna run all those adventures. But it brings me a lot of joy just sitting in the couch and leafing through them. Some of my favorite books I have because they have so much reuse value - just as inspiration alone. So yeah it's a bit of a...

:ROFLMAO: They deserve praise for their work.

That's bonkers. How is that even possible? They surely must be happy about their success at WotC. Nice job.

That is a good idea. Think I'll make one. Especially one of my players keep asking me if they can see how wounded the monster is, and I try to make something up, but it would be nice with a table like that.

I think this differs wildly from one table to another. But with my current group I agree. They revel in the combat tactics and to strategize around it. Granted, they want the combats to be part of a great story and plot, but the combats are the highlights. So much, that I'm considering trying...

What it all boils down to, is that combat in PF2e basically is built upon the illusion of choice. Yes there are plenty of choice, but it is an illusion since all builds always end up doing the same thing every turn in combat because it is the optimal thing to do. So combat i PF2e is in spite of...

This is actually quite clever. Would love it WotC would play with this. Give us more options in play.