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This is a very productive response. It notes the difference in the mechanics of movement between various editions, and notes that 5e reduces the impact of these mechanics. Because of the difference between AD&D, the middle editions, and 5e, both 5e and AD&D had a similar wide expanse of...

Thank you for attempting to refocus the discussion to 5e. Outside of class-exclusive abilities, 5e has mostly tactics, not roles, based on the fact that the mechanics are bounded. I think we agree on this.

5 of us in group. I own all of them (PHB, DMG, MM, HotDQ, RoT). 3 of other 4 own PHB. 4th will get it when he's not poor. 1 or 2 will buy the DMG and MM when I get tired of running ToD.

OK. I'll try this one more time. Long post to follow. Where I make statements about play-styles, these are in my experience in the various groups I have played in over the last 35+ years. They may not be your play-styles, but they ARE ours. Let's start with the basics. D&D, as a game, uses...

Find me a single dictionary definition of "leader" that includes the act of healing or "supporting" others. Leader means leading others, giving orders and directions, telling them what to do. No one EVER (in my 35+ years playing this game) referred to the "role" of a cleric as a "leader"...

It's kind of funny that I can look at the substance of a comment and generally predict who posted it before even glancing at the poster's name. The internet is the greatest force for confirmation bias that ever existed. Those dissatisfied with WotC or 5e will immediately find someone to...

Heh. I turned a pretty routine encounter in the Mines of Phandelver into a nail-biter, simply by suggesting the party's best damage-dealer "get as far away from here as you can, as fast as you can." Three rounds later, he finally saves and starts running back. Just simple uses like that can...

That's pretty close to goal-post shifting, if not directly goal-post shifting. The complaint that has been made multiple times on this thread relates to the ineffectiveness of magic based on the ease at which opponents can escape its effects (concentration being the stated way in the title) and...

I do this in my present campaign. In most cases, it doesn't make much difference. Since I use max hp for first level and average-rounded-up for each additional level, the average HD roll is only a few points less than max hp anyway. So, unless the character is really low and/or rolls...

True, I could have. But then I would have missed the opportunity to tweak that subset of posters here that post virtually nothing but whines and complaints about how 5e is not like earlier editions or how broken it is or how they don't have fun playing it... etc. You know, the folks who are...

Uhhh, that's exactly what I said in the post you quoted. Who are you arguing with?

I understand your desire, but it's impossible to achieve. You can't have both faster combat and clear rules. Ever. The only way to make that work is to restrict choice. Chess has absolutely clear-cut rules. You just can't move a knight any way other than two forward and one to the side...

Wow. I'm going to have to bring some cheese to this thread, to go with all this whine. What we have here is a difference in expectations. For the folks who were happy with the linear-fighters/quadratic-wizards of the first few editions, I can see how the change would be irritating. It sucks...

There are actually two cases here. One, wizard A casts Scorching Ray. Wizard B counterspells the ray. Wizard A counterspells the counterspell. Two, wizard A casts Scorching Ray. Wizard B counterspells the ray. Wizard C counterspells the counterspell. It seems to me that there is more...

See, 5e seems to recognize the fundamental paradox of DMing. Strong rules systems attempt to reduce the uncertainty in the game, and hope to reduce the chances that a DM can ruin the game for you. The paradox is that the same strong system also makes it impossible for the DM to make the game...

Ehhhh. I can see both sides of the argument, but my take isn't so much based on RAW as on flavor. What is a counterspell? Is it a spell itself, or is it the negation of magical energy? The way I visualize it, a counterspell is the negation of the magical energy used to create the spell. So...

No edition war. I'm in a long term PF game run by PFS rules... And I'm not quitting in the near future. But it's not edition warring to say that this new strategy by PFS may not work if it is intended to appeal to a certain fragment of the gaming population and explain why.

Please. This is putting a tourniquet on a neck wound. The PFS fan loves the options and the building. Once you've built the character, the combat is a slog. Those of us leaving PF for 5e aren't leaving because there are too many options (though there are way too many bad options, which...

Situational modifiers are the conversation! The whole point of this argument is that the combat roles are situational! The thing that many people at my table don't like is the idea of building a character for a combat role when such a role depends on the circumstance of a combat. With a...

It's called a doorway. :lol: Seriously, though, your character could determine the shape of the battlefield depending on where he stands, who he attacks, etc. Move into the center of the enemy forces and split them, now your allies can attack one set together. Stand in a doorway and allow...