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I don't mind the idea of "I am going to use this magic item designed for another class, but there is a real possibility of this failing, or going haywire, but I am desperate and going to try anyway". I do mind the idea of "I have maxed out ranks in UMD and feats to boost it so no matter what...

I am thinking in 4th, the penalty for wearing armor is lessened, if there is any penalty at all. Considering what they have said about wizards and armor, and now what they have said about fighters, I think the issue isn't balancing Dex with your Armor, it is getting that heavy armor proficiency...

Perhaps there are light-armor defender classes coming down the pike. Perhaps the fighter class is simply designed for heavy armor.

For the record, I would agree that it is no sin for Bob to not want to play 4e, and continue playing 3.5.

Eeeeyeeesh. They're friends for crying out loud. It is only natural to want to find a way to include your friend in what you enjoy doing... you almost make it sound like a sin for being exited about 4e and wanting to find a way to include him in the game...

I don't think this is a question of dumb or smart. I think there are plenty of reasons to go to 1-square diagonals that don't have to do with questioning someone's mental prowess. I think it is a question of whether or not it is worth the hassle. I personally think strategy will still...

Good point. If the fighter were moved just 1 square forward that could knock off a square of movement from the monster, but that isn't much. At least he is cutting off a charge, but that is about it. However, I don't think all is lost on the defender just yet. One thing is Defender...

I'm for going back to 1 square diagonals. I hate it when you are counting your diagonals and you second-guess yourself or lose track of your diagonals and you're standing there, miniature in hand, with a dumb expression on your face, trying desperately to remember what space you started from so...

I believe there are references to infernal, fey, and star pacts... wait, fey?

I have heard this before, but I can't find any info on the 4e info page... where is this from, anyway? Do you know? Also, primal may mean a feywild connection... or it may not... just thinking out loud.

good point. I forgot about the nine hells in the astral sea. So the planar paralell doesn't work... I am actually kind of glad. More freedom for design. So now that the planar mandate thing is out of the way... That doesn't necessarily mean that the feywild isn't the originator of the...

So Shadow will be a power source, eventually, and presumably this means that characters draw power from the energies of that plane... So what about the Feywild? Could energies be drawn from that plane, and for what purpose? I don't know what has been definitively said about the primal power...

Cavalier- D&D has long had a love affair with this concept, but it never seems to work. Perhaps the Knight in the PHB2. However, this is a second martial defender, and would really just be redundant next to the Fighter class at the moment. Again, we are trying to show love for the fighter...

I found his post insightful, useful to the conversation, and interesting.

Alright, so looking at the pit fiend again... These would appear to be the reference for non-proficient skills. (I thought it interesting that now the order seems to put Wis after Dex, instead of between Int and Cha...) Str 32 (+24) Dex 24 (+20) Wis 20 (+18) Con 27 (+21) Int 22 (+19) Cha 28...

Chaos favors the underdog. Because most games assume that the players are going to win it out in the end, the monsters and the NPCs are the underdogs. The more random and uncertain things are, the more likely that the players are going to die to some bad die rolls. While I would agree with...

Hmm. I am somewhat intrigued by the idea that haggling a price could be handled by some die rolls. I haven't seen a useful mechanic for this. A stripped down social encounter may be what the doctor ordered. But on the other hand, I don't want to see the social encounter system push and...

I agree. I think half dragons/demons are the two biggest offenders. And I hope Dragonborn & Tieflings will satisfy players and dm's...

Good points. However... I would disagree with your statement that putting more fantasy in D&D puts the creative advantage in their corner. I think I can come up with some pretty interesting fantastical ideas... and I think a lot of other people can too. The problem is making those fantastic...

I think that 4e is going in the right direction here. Some comments have said that we may be going too fantasy, we may be losing the mundane that roots it all into reality. I don't think that is going to be a problem. One of the earliest comments said that D&D has been ignoring the mundane...