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  1. Maxperson

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    It's inseparable from a game, but not any specific game. I can run Planescape, Dark Sun, Greyhawk or Birthright with any number of systems. The experiences will be different, because of the varying mechanics, but it can easily be done. You can't play a game without a setting, though, because...
  2. Maxperson

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    First, I want to say that what I know of GNS comes from debates here, so while I can comment here and there, I'm not as knowledgeable about it as you may think. That's why I haven't tackled that post you tagged me in. I agree that the DM and players are critical to the play experience, but I...
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  4. Maxperson

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    That's odd, but true! I would have thought someone somewhere would have named their town Reality. We have Hell, Weed, Toad Suck, Catfish Paradise, and even Scratch Ankle(probably lots of fleas there). Someone needs to found a new town and call it Reality.
  5. Maxperson

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    Humans are very fallible and very often overlook factors that would adjust that risk, often significantly. Also fairly often there are unknowns that alter things and we can't factor those in. A more accurate statement would be... "Most of the time when we attempt something IRL that carries...
  6. Maxperson

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    I never knew there was a history to the term. We almost always used it literally in all of my groups. Very rarely it was used to justify some major disruption, but generally the rare problem players who would do something like that are found out by little things and and up out of the group.
  7. Maxperson

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    The way I see it, there's no such thing as a game that's 100% simulationist, narrativist or gamist. All RPGs have elements of all three. Even the most narrativist RPG is going to have some rules, which will allow someone to game the system to some degree, and will have things like falling...
  8. Maxperson

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    What they really mean by "avoid nothing happening" is really, "make sure the result is interesting to the players." For their tables and playstyle that bit of information wouldn't be enough. For other tables and styles, it would be.
  9. Maxperson

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    It's really not worth arguing over, since it amounts to semantics. For me, that would fall under DM abuse, not metagaming, but your mileage may vary. :)
  10. Maxperson

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    No, he's right. It's not metagaming in any sense. There is no player knowledge being brought into the game through his PC inappropriately. Much like cheating, metagaming isn't something that the DM can do. The DM can abuse authority, but not cheat. The DM is not a player, so cannot be bring...
  11. Maxperson

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    One of my major issues with The Forge is that games are not Simulationist or Gamist or Narrativist. I have yet to see an RPG that isn't all three to varying degrees. What you will see when you play a game is that his game over here is 60%(N), 30%(S) and 10%(G), while that one over there is...
  12. Maxperson

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    And that's objective fact. :P
  13. Maxperson

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    False Equivalences are false. Thinking about mechanics or not being in character 24/7 is not the same as metagaming.
  14. Maxperson

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    It's an actuality, not a technicality. If there is restricted federal land, it doesn't matter if you are a federal employee allowed onto it, it's still restricted federal land. Metagaming doesn't cease to be metagaming just because you are allowed to do it and/or don't care about it.
  15. Maxperson

    Do you remember your first RPG purchase?

    The 1e PHB, DMG and MM.
  16. Maxperson

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    Just because metagaming is incorporated into the rules and guidance of those games, and you are okay with it happening, doesn't make it not metagaming. It's just sanctioned metagaming that nobody in your group cares about.
  17. Maxperson

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    In your haste to mock me, which you like to do fairly often, you flubbed it. This is what you said... "First is you stop caring about the “metagame”. There’s just the game. Second, you telegraph danger ahead of time. Or at the very least, you establish what the likely risk is, the stakes of...
  18. Maxperson

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    The "" around metagaming and the declaration that there is only the game is a statement that metagming doesn't exist. It's okay if you want to ignore metagaming, but it does exist. I was just correcting the obvious error there.
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