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This is exactly how I feel about cheesecake. I find it jarring and disturbing, and it sends the message that this product is not for people of my gender and orientation. So I don't buy it.

Not when there are insanely popular brands that have sexually ambiguous models as their main branding signature, probably not.

No. But it is pretty good evidence that it doesn't hurt sales.

Absolutely true. I am not saying by any stretch of the imagination that Paizo's rise in market share is a direct result of their being diverse and inclusive in their core material. And hey, if you want to argue who actually outsells who, that's fine too. My point is this: Paizo's sales don't...

If you want to argue the sales figures with the industry's trade publication, please feel free. What I'm saying is that a gaming company that actively promotes and includes all forms of diversity in their core material is clearly not seeing their sales suffer for it. And this despite D&D being...

Irrelevant to the sales statistics, which are a very good demonstration of the fact that actively including gender, orientation and racial diversity does not hurt RPG sales. Quite the contrary. The folks who are suggesting that it does need to look at what the market is actually doing right...

You mean, that unknown property by a small company that is consistently outselling D&D? And clearly not being handicapped in their sales by a strong effort to actively include gender and orientation diversity in their iconics?

You mean, like gratuitous cheesecake art? Yeah, that would be nice if it stopped being the default setting. I don't see that happening, so I'll settle for equal time for sexualized male depictions and more reasonable settings for both. Eg, not where it's stupid.

You keep saying that, and Pathfinder keeps having a larger and still increasing market share. Kind of puts holes in that line of reasoning. Do I think their popularity is solely due to being willing to have gay, bi and trans iconic characters and some racial diversity? No. But clearly it...

So your argument is that the game material should only cater to white heterosexual males, and anyone who wants any more diversity than that in their representation should just write it themselves, because heaven forbid any diverse material or characters should be an option in the canon material...

The point. You are missing it. The reason I enjoy being able to tell stories in a setting with diverse characters that I personally find interesting and inspirational is not political. It's personal. I want to tell stories that are rich and deep and fascinating, gritty and real and...

Er, that IS legitimate world building and not a sociological movement. It makes the plot and world setting richer and more interesting if characters are genuinely diverse, and I can think of some awesome plot hooks to hang on pretty much everything Ichneumon talked about. Not because it's...

What I say should not be taken as absolute fact any more than other people's confident assertions about chainmail bikinis on a cover selling 50,000 more copies of a book than dragons. You should look for yourself at what the market is actually doing. I've seen Paizo employees tell egregious...

Yes, and? For me, the consistent use of 'he' with no female pronouns in sight sends the message that I don't count and I don't matter, and that I am being deliberately excluded. So how do you weigh some people finding it jarring versus other people finding it exclusionary? When I say I don't...

In context, it actually reads as a reference to *himself* as "some goob on a message board". Still doesn't excuse the bad argument technique of citing big, authoritative numbers as justification for an argument, and dismissing requests for an actual cite by claiming that everyone should 'just...

An education is not what is required. Backing up numbers and statistics that you cite with 'great confidence' as the basis for your argument is all that is being requested. This is not an unreasonable request.

Well, that's the thing. I don't honestly think it is true. The demographics of RPG sales aren't that heavily concentrated at this point, to the best of my understanding, on the very young crowd. The stereotype of most D&D players being nerdy teenage boys whose dating life consists of staring...

Translation: "I like the status quo just fine. Male heroes and male pronouns should stay the default because that's just how it's supposed to be. I don't want to make any effort to be inclusive of women in this hobby. Oh, and no women seem to want to play this game with me. I wonder why that...

All true, but if you cite numbers and great confidence in them, it's generally on you to back that up. Suggesting that anyone who questions your assertions should just google it seems disingenuous. Yes, sex sells. But we don't have the numbers on how much it does, or where it does, nor on...

Do you have any factual documentation to back up those numbers you have such great confidence in? It's just not as simple as that. You can find sexy art for your book covers, if you are even sure it's going to net you more sales from 13 year old boys than an awesome picture of fighting...