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*sigh* No, what I said was, you can't get the 4E core books in PDF. And you can't; go check. But that's really beside the point. The point is the 5E books. And you can't get those in PDF, either. As for dissenting, I have no issue with what you choose to believe. What I "have an issue...

Actually, it isn't. You *still* can't buy the 4E core books there, let alone the 5E ones. If you could, we wouldn't be having this conversation. ...but you already knew that. So how about we both stop beating our heads against a brick wall and agree to disagree? :)

Morrus; they pulled the 4E PDFS FIVE YEARS AGO. At the time, they explicitly stated it was due to piracy. I don't think they're not selling them because "they don't feel like it." And further, I think you know that. I believe they're not selling them because their executives don't get...

I chose to elaborate on PDFs because they're the low-hanging fruit. In other words, I was picking the easiest thing for them to get right. And yet they haven't. I literally don't know how to more clearly articulate the argument for why this represents a failure than I've already done upthread...

Exactly. But for some reason that is a very contentious position to take on this board.

First of all, that's not what you said. You said "experiences working on projects in a corporate environment." But as it happens, I work in IT for Pearson, one of the largest publishers in the world. While I am not a project manager, I interact with them on a daily basis. And I've watched...

...and you would be mistaken; I've worked in corporate america for almost 20 years. I believe the evidence is overwhelming that they are simply dropping the ball: P1 -- Releasing PDFs (at a minimum) is the RPG industry norm for digital support. P2 -- It is reasonable to expect the industry...

Actually, no. I don't have to pretend. They are objectively failing to meet my needs. What do I want? Frankly, I'd be happy with a PDF release of the core books on D&D classics. That should take all of an hour. But I'm sure you'll now proceed to tell me how unreasonable expecting...

Ok, you win. The PHB has been out for six months. When do I have your permission to expect digital tools? Or even just a digital book (which should take about an hour of effort)? Good lord somethings I hate the Internet.

To repeat: Expecting a minimum amount of digital support isn't unreasonable, especially since the level of support in question is the industry norm. Maybe you don't personally care, but it's still a deficiency in WotC's product line. And it is a deficiency that is costing them (an admittedly...

*sigh* I didn't say that. But several of the most high-profile ones, including the 3D game table and the 3D character visualizer, never came to pass. Here's the bottom line: Expecting a minimum amount of digital support isn't unreasonable, especially since the level of support in question is...

I guess you've missed the last decade or so? I was at Gencon in '07 when they announced 4E, along with all the digital tools. And again in '08, and '09. I waited patiently, but those tools never came to pass. Now, almost unbelievably, they've done it again with 5E. Fool me once... At this...

I'm not sure what people are complaining about, but you responded to me. I have no expectation of receiving anything for free. I'm happy -- eager even -- to pay to consume the content in the manner most convenient to me. The problem is that for some reason, WotC cant (or won't) get. it. done...

Nope; just the once. I simply check back from time to time in the hopes that they'll grow a clue. But apparently they'd rather I play Pathfinder (or 13th Age. Or Savage Worlds. Or Fate. Or Dungeon World. Or C&C. Or any of the hundreds of other RPGs that do much more digitally than D&D...and...

Who said anything about "free stuff?" I'm not sure which argument you think you're having. As for what they should do, I've outlined a perfectly viable course of action up thread.

Sorry; I felt very much like you opened with a straw man yourself, but that doesn't excuse my behavior. The thing is, they're absolutely damaging D&D. They've lost me as a customer. They've lost my groups as customers. Several others have said the same thing. The only reasonable point of...

I don't even know what that's supposed to mean. Some of us have a problem and wish WotC would improve their digital offerings. Further, we're concerned if they don't, the consequences for 5E could be bad. I'm sorry these things offend you.

Meanwhile, in my neck of the woods, I'm running two Pathfinder games that would both be 5E games if digital books and a character generator were available. Again, if it's not a problem for you, great. Why do you feel the need to insist it's not a problem for others?

Whatever, man. Just like I said, some people will defend WotC no matter what. You even arrived on cue. Meanwhile, some of us are concerned because we see a real problem. If it's not a problem for you, great, but why do you have to insist it's not a problem for us?

Except that when you have to resort to distortion and exaggeration to make your point, there's a problem. No one has said d&d is going to DIE RIGHT NOW. What we have said is that WotC's mis-handling of digital is beginning to have an impact, and that we're afraid that impact may eventually be...