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Orcus: "Hopefully no one thinking of suing someone using OSRIC was reading this post cause you just shot yourself in the foot big time." Ahhh dude, I thought you said you were an attorney. Its fine for me to say that, I'm not P&P. :confused: Orcus, one option (if you did want to make a few...

Umbran, there are 2 issues here. One is OSRIC the rule book. Now if someone is going to get jumped on by WOTC it will be P&P its owner, or someone who prints part of or all of it. The second issue is OSRIC (aka 1E) compatable modules. OSRIC on the front of a module is code for AD&D. Inside...

Nik. I was referring to supposed legal advice given to certain publishers). I agree completely. The OSRIC RULE BOOK is legal until proven otherwise. My point was that certain "Old School" Publishers basically voiced public concerns about OSRIC RULE BOOK legality (based on what their...

Yes Maggen, that post was a bit more expressive. ;) You wrote: "other people, at least one of them an attorney by profession, are reaching another conclusion." From what I've read, the OSRIC RULE BOOK has been found to be at question, but no one (including the person you mentioned) has...

According to the DMG a +1 daggers sale value is 750 GPs. A +1 sword 2,000 GPs. Anyhow, I didn't mean a wealthy farmer land owner, I meant a peasant scratching their existance from the earth, the typical guy (who might even be an employee of the rich farmer). I agree the well off farmer might...

I had a longer post, but erased it. The bottom line is, making public statements (like the one ORCUS just made) hurts the OSRIC brand (something between P&P and them) and it hurts the 1E community in general. They stick their noses out suggesting OGL compatable OSRIC modules are "risky" to...

Maggen your missing my point. I could care less why the "Old School" publishers don't use OSRIC. I honestly don't. What I do care about is that they spread the notion that its dangerous to publish OSRIC modules because OSRIC the Book may be illegal. This is a falsehood. Anyone can...

I think its obvious why OSRIC is treated so poorly (sometimes borderline slander if you ask me) by "Old school" publishers, its just that no one has ever managed to hold them to the flame long enough to get them to admit. Once again I will ask the question to any "Old School" publisher not...

Sure, I agree presentation has more to do with it then availability. For instance, in a 1E game you might have everyone walking around with a ton of magic on, but unless you have detect magic cast you'd never know, the vast majority of town peasants have no idea. In 1E you just don't see any...

The system does matter greatly. If you were to play any of the TSR early 1E classic modules using 3E the experiance would not be the same. I mean, the characters are completely different for starters, never mind the combat rules. But, I for one would like to see what ORCUS can come up with...

I guess its more to do with the supplemental stuff for 3E which really made magic visible and common to "regular people". In 1E the occasional farmer who had a +1 dagger tucked away surely didn't brag about it likely, it didn't make magic common to his village only to himself and only that...

Heh! A smart woman no doubt. ;) I don't own anything 2E, not even late 1E (once Dragon Lance showed up), so I can't really comment. I will say that 2E was a big change from early 1E (that I was able to gather just looking at the stuff in gaming stores). I'll bet the high magic (if it did...

Oh, I agree PCs can be walking around with alot of magic in 1E, probably more then in 3E (at least we did, afterall every class in 3E has magic or magic like powers in skills and feats). But in AD&D we are talking about "adventurers" (a different breed altogether, who find this stuff deep...

ORCUS, since you are an attorney I'd be interested in your opinion (off the record of course) do you see a difference between the legality of OSRIC the book (which you think might be on shakey grounds) and modules that have OSRIC compatable written on the cover, and are otherwise 100% OGL...

Hey, it just sounded like scare tactics to me, and thats just IMHO. ;) You said: "All that behind me, Necro will definately be there to put the 1E meat in the 4E bun." I see that as reason to be someone who does compete for the 1E dollar. Certainly there are 1E players who might want to...

Once again, this sounds to me like TLG is scared of something. You know Treebore, maybe they fear splitting the C&C customer base. The C&C product in many ways tries to hold a middle ground between 1Eers and 3Eers. If you allow for OSRIC discussion, this could drive a wedge between those who'd...

I think you may be confusing 2 issues. OSRIC itself, "the document" owned by Papers and Paychecks "may" be illegal. If you were going to print OSRIC the book (or portions of it) and sell it, yes this might be a risk for you. Lucky for you, thats P&Ps problem not yours. (Thanks English...

The reason I asked was that you suggested OSRIC was seen as possibly illegal, thus TLG won't allow its discussion on its board. But, if TLG doesn't use OSRIC whats the harm? Are these guys super ethical people who refuse to discuss something that might be illegal (even though its never been...

Wait, your saying that OSRIC is illegal so no one can discuss it?

It seems they fear OSRIC? Whats up with that I wonder. Shouldn't TLG be supporting OSRIC considering both are building the same base (or trying to). If more people start playing 1E and need modules...wouldn't that be good for TLG?