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    D&D 4E What's so bad about 4th edition? What's so good about other systems?

    Welcome back! If there's more hate now than before you left, it's because 4e has outgrown its first few euphoric years. It happens with every edition: love, familiarity, hate and then the next edition is born. No, and no. Honestly, I don't like Essentials and I don't allow it in my game, but...
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    C4, the Best Edition Never Published

    Martial Practices are done. One more berry in the pie!
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    C4, the Best Edition Never Published

    C4 Rituals is now complete!
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    C4, the Best Edition Never Published

    All heroic feats from solid books are now compiled! Bleh, enough feats already!
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    A 4E Retro Clone

    They certainly haven't made it easy, but that hasn't stopped me from cloning a good chunk of 4e material. And add more material every day!
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    So, About the Dejada...?

    (The dejada is a dark sun weapon that's exactly like a sling, except it does more damage.) Is there some possible obscure reason for this, or is the dejada a kind of incognito sling errata?
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    A 4E Retro Clone

    In my case, this is not a hypothetical scenario. Check it out. My Complete 4th Edition is basically classic 4e with a few tweaks. I've left the vast majority of material alone, but here are the three biggest tweaks: 1. Regular saves are rolled on the attacker's turn, and bonus saves can end...
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    Do you want variety or bonuses in your feats?

    Could feats be better? Certainly. I'm not familiar with most feat issues, but feat taxes are easy enough to fix. Back near the start of 4e, when I realized there was a problem and what was causing it, I thought to myself: "I can ignore the problem, and expect my players to compensate by...
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    What's the big deal with "feat taxes?"

    First, I don't complain about your own horrendous grammar and formatting, but I'd thank you to not inflict it upon my posts when you quote me. When WotC prints something as a feat, most DMs take it as an official stamp of approval. Not as a "You may want to disallow this feat, or you may want...
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    What's the big deal with "feat taxes?"

    Clearly, math should have taken Expertise then. :) Hybrids aren't my thing, so I can't comment on whether Hybrid Talent is a tax or not. If it is a tax as you say, then there is a better way to do hybriding. So you two want freedom of choice, excellent! No point having stuff that doesn't fit...
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    What's the big deal with "feat taxes?"

    Yes, and I'm sure some players would think that paying a feat just to add half their level to attacks/defenses would be fair and balanced. (Really. Many of the same people would be arguing for it, if it had been RAW.) That doesn't make it so. To be clear, I'm not defending or denying Melee...
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    What's the big deal with "feat taxes?"

    You and several people seem to be talking past each other, so maybe I can help. From what you've said, your assumption is that all feats are nifty little extras -- benefits that are nice, but not necessary. (And this is what WotC told us that 4e feats would be.) When a DM gives specific feats...
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    What's the big deal with "feat taxes?"

    First, I'm going to point out the assumption you're making here. "It's the power gamers who want free feats." I've never seen a power gamer turn down free feats, but IME power gamers are just as happy to power game by RAW than by house rules. (Usually happier, actually.) The players who want...
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    Feats, Feats, Feats

    Thanks for your replies! I should have mentioned that Expertise and NAD boosting feats are already replaced by an actual math fix. If not for the few feats that have a really noticeable character impact (skill training, ritual caster, etc), I'd probably agree. But a lot of players seem to love...
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    Feats, Feats, Feats

    Eberron's dragonmark feats are supposed to be a solid notch or two above the rest, or so I'm told. Feats aren't my thing, so I'd like to know if there are any other feat groups worthy of the ban pile in a typical campaign.
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    What's the big deal with "feat taxes?"

    Dude, let's trade game regions! 4e DMs in my neck of the woods seem to be very...square. Sometimes they'll make an unintentional house rule out of general rule minutia ignorance, or blatantly fudge a roll in the players' favor*, but to intentionally change a rule? *gasp* And to give out free...
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    What's the big deal with "feat taxes?"

    True, DMs have the power to make feat taxes a non-issue. But if you're a player in a RAW game, there's not much you can do but pay your feat taxes. And IME, RAW games far outnumber house ruled games, because many DMs are afraid to deviate from official rules for whatever reason. And I suspect...
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    What's the big deal with "feat taxes?"

    I agree, which is why I encourage others to do something about the math hole problem -- even if it's as simple as "everyone gets expertise and improved defenses for free." That's how the devs handle the problem in their home games. I don't follow football, but I don't think your analogy is very...
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    C4, the Best Edition Never Published

    The Heroics Feats are up, including new [and hopefully improved] multiclass feats!
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    What's the big deal with "feat taxes?"

    I think half "the big deal" isn't the problem itself -- it's that WotC has the ample means to effect a free and honest fix. But instead of making everyone happy, they give us a half-hearted fix that we have to pay for. In more than one way. As it happens, I got tired of waiting for WotC to fix...
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