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  1. hawkeyefan

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    That more noise is made on the failed attempt... enough to alert someone nearby. Similar to a stealth roll. I don't think either of these things is true. I believe that one attempt at picking a lock can be quieter than another, just like one can walk more quietly, or attempt to do just about...
  2. hawkeyefan

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    It should be not boring, though. That's the idea. But please... make the case for boring and then criticize us for saying your game's boring! That's fun!
  3. hawkeyefan

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    What is this "turn" you speak of? ;)
  4. hawkeyefan

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    Sure, but this isn't something done at every door these guys may open. It also may not always be possible at all times, even in dangerous situations.
  5. hawkeyefan

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    Unless they're risky? But people do that in real life all the time. People make decisions that are not in their own interests. Very often, they may not realize that's what they're doing, or they haven't stopped to consider it, but other times, they know it going in. Sometimes they are...
  6. hawkeyefan

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    Yes, it is. Let's say that this is my game and I'm running it and that's what I decide is the result of the failed roll. You can describe this as a Ruling Not a Rule or as homebrew or GM fiat or whatever you want to call it. But this is indeed the consequence that I've decided in as a GM...
  7. hawkeyefan

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    The sensible thing for Luke to do would not have been to listen to the old wizard and go off to try and save the princess. Instead, he should have turned the rogue droids in to the local imperial magistrate. The sensible thing for Indiana Jones to do would be to safely sit in his classroom and...
  8. hawkeyefan

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    Max… if someone makes a noise and another person hears it, that’s a direct result. Adding in a bunch of game steps doesn’t change that. Notice how in your example with the ice cream and the ant, you described a bunch of actual steps for the person in the fiction. Here you’ve added a bunch of...
  9. hawkeyefan

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    How is it false? It’s literally the advice. Oh my god would you guys stop being so paranoid about people saying D&D is boring?
  10. hawkeyefan

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    Are all your characters like this? Are none of them ruled by their passions? Are none of them addicted to danger? Are none of them willing to put it all on the line for fortune and glory? I can’t understand this pushback against making interesting choices for characters. It’s bonkers.
  11. hawkeyefan

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    We’ve been talking about a cook hearing someone picking a lock. There are no interim steps between the lock picker acting and the cook reacting. No it’s not. Because having the principle “Make the characters’ lives not boring” is not a statement about the quality of the game. It is advice for...
  12. hawkeyefan

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    Because when they came up with the idea they picked a phrase that made sense to them and weren’t worried about pedants discussing it online years later? But we’re showing an alternate way of handling it where it does matter if the attempt succeeds or fails. That’s the most recent example I...
  13. hawkeyefan

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    If this is how you would do it, then sure... go ahead. It seems nonsensical to me, so I'd handle it how I've already described many times. If the roll failed then enough noise was made by the thief that the cook heard the lock picking. She is alerted. She probably turns, her brow furrowed, to...
  14. hawkeyefan

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    Should not be related in what way? The cook is a potential observer to the lock picking attempt. They are not independent. You may prefer to handle them with independent rolls in play… that’s a way to do it and is perfectly fine. But that doesn’t mean they are independent. Nor does it mean...
  15. hawkeyefan

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    I mean… I’m not sure how that is still unclear.
  16. hawkeyefan

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    But in a rules discussion that’s about bot doing things the way they’ve always been done, I would expect homebrewing to be a big factor. And this is what I’ve been talking about. Other ways to do things in D&D besides the ways they’ve always been done. You always only roll for checks every...
  17. hawkeyefan

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    Yes, I think this was the point. You can role-play a character however you decide to. There can’t really be a faithful or unfaithful version of it… it’s entirely up to you. This was about how Beliefs work in Burning Wheel. The game doesn’t require you or expect you to define your character’s...
  18. hawkeyefan

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    So you’d be okay with it if the players didn’t find it unimmersive? I didn’t say it didn’t apply to anyone else. Clearly, I intended it to apply to some folks. Ones I’ve observed. Including me… it’s something I did quite a bit. Is it something you do? I have no idea. I never directed the...
  19. hawkeyefan

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    I never said this applies to you. I said it’s something I’ve observed. You continue to read things into my posts that are not there. I’ve pointed it out several times. Please stop doing that. This is the post to which I was replying: This to me reads as if it’s meant to be true of all...
  20. hawkeyefan

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    No one said anything about being interrupted. The scenario was that the thief made enough noise while picking a lock that the cook heard it. When the thief opens the door, there’s the cook. As for RAW, if you haven’t caught on, I don’t care what RAW says. Yea, it’s not written in the very...
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