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I the games I'm playing in (or plan to run), I see this feat being taken by - at most - one PC per game. In game #1, with a rogue, fey-lock, and lazer cleric, I's like the rogue to take it. Did I mention I play a warlord? :) The lazer cleric miiiiight take it, but there are better feats. In...

No, I think Obryn has the right of it. 4e no longer has the "core" concept. There is no real "core" anymore - it was a poor marketing decision by WotC in 3e. Now there are just Numbered versions of the PH (and MM, and DMG, I'll bet). So saying that "PH2 isn't core, and so may be freely...

I'm not at all clear how the second paragraph follows from the first. Huh?:confused: When you tried to ban things, your (potential) players rebelled....so now you think banning is a good idea? :-S

I noticed that too. :lol: I know from plenty of experience that banning things I thought were "too good" often led to hurt feelings and less fun in-game. It's tempting to ban stuff (like Battlerager Fighters?), but if it's ruining no player's fun, it's not worth the cost. Easy to say, harder...

Hmmm..you might be missing a trick here. If the defender is in the enemy's back lines, separated from her party, playing with the enemy controller....guess who's gonna be attacking the squishy PCs that the defender would normally be blocking? :] :devil:

:lol: ...that may be, but one of my DMs manages to hit us with an "aura" monster almost every combat! :hmm: :D "Auras" turn out to be a contributing factor that I never concidered before playing. Since an aura isn't (necessarily) an attack, your defences (and marks!) don't matter, and they...

Alright --> that sounds promising..... Would you mind posting how one of those type of combats went down? Lower level if possible. We're currently 3rd level, so higher level tactics are fun to read about, but not as useful. As I see it, having a defender "run to the back of the enmy lines"...

An assault swordmage in our game, I think. He's a fine player, but his PC is just not able to either "put the hurt" or "save the squishies". I admit I haven't given much thought to how to optimize a swordmage, so I haven't been giving him any tips in-game other than "flank this guy". :)...

I have, but pro'ly not in a form you'd like: xls spread sheet. You needn't bother with "misc" (or "situational") modifiers, as they don't always apply, and vary quite a bit between games. You do need make lots of assumptions: #1) Magic Items: The best IMO, is to assume a +1 Atk, AC, & F-R-W...

Going back to the OP: The feat Melee Training is good....but far from "broken" or "bad". It gives options to classes that didn't have them, and it allows some leaders (Warlords!) to "spread th' Love" of Commander's Strike around. I like it.

The most I think on this, the more I come to the comclusion that tranfering the enchantment to your own god's holy symbol is the way to go. The idea is well grounded in the game mechanics, and works on a narrative level as it should. Do it! :D

FWIW: I - too - like the idea of giving the paladin Sir K's sword. It matches the plot perfectly! How could you not? Give the rogue and warlord stuff later. Believe it or not, getting magic items *later* in the adventure is actually better, as these items are more likely to be higher level...

Riiiiight. Moving on....... So long as the DM in question is giving the players "replacement" magic items to fill out the treasure parcels, there's no trouble. Just destoy the Evil holy symbol (of Doom!), and don't worry about it. To the OP: You have the right of it. The holy symbol has a...

FWIW, I've not been at all impressed with swordmages. I currently play a fighter, and time and again my mark does more "stuff" that hurts the enemy than the swordmage does. Put another way: it seems like the swordmage is getting less out of his mark than my fighter is.

Yowch. Tell me about it!

Backstabber FTW.

...it may be a pretty narrow set "of use", but IME it's a pretty *wide* set of "players who misunderstand". As the replies in this thread amply show, many people think Sure Strike is a good At-Will. The fact that it's not is hidden...and that's bad, methinks. If we assume that an At-Will...

Yup. Interestingly, I - too - play a warlord in one game and a fighter in another. Not a heck of a lot of movement in either game, I think. For example, last game (I play a human BRV Ftr 4, Craghammer and Shield), we were jumped by a group of goblins. I quickly moved (via Pass Forward) to...

Excellent post, Smeelbo. Thanks. ...but, how do you age out a book? I'm not clear on how I -as a customer- figure this out when I pick up a gaming book in the FLGS. How do I know if a book has aged out? Put another way: Will they just keep printing the PH 1, but put a "age out" date on it...

Ah! Got it - thanks! In the games I play, position doesn't mean as much as I thought it would (pre-4e release). It seems like a lot of time we're just walking up to the enemy and pounding on them until they're dead. Thus all of the fighter "move 'em!" powers seem pretty luke-warm. I wish I...