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  1. Lanefan

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    I'm not going to argue with that for any edition; though the targets of criticism will be different in each. :) Thing is, what some people criticize about D&D can be the same thing(s) that other people see as its strength(s). An example from this thread: the task-based resolution that D&D uses...
  2. Lanefan

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    You can actually have it both ways, to a point: have one of the options in the table read "Make s*** up." or "DM prerogative". This can be really handy if it's a table you use frequently, as unless there's lots of options it can start getting repetitive after a while. As do I, to a certain...
  3. Lanefan

    Should PCs Be Exceptional?

    Except the characters in the data came in at a wide variety of levels; they didn't all start at raw 1st. Also, the results are fairly similar across low- and high-hit point classes (with some outliers in rarely-played classes due to insufficient data). Were hit points the main determinant, I'd...
  4. Lanefan

    Should PCs Be Exceptional?

    A far better zero to hero* example might be Arya Stark's progression through GoT. * - well, maybe not capital-H "Hero" n the Good-aligned sense, perhaps more just "pretty damn competent at what she does". :)
  5. Lanefan

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    Except it's still not stakeless. Simply allowing Jane to break into the warehouse without a roll makes a pile of assumptions I'm not willing to make, the most significant of which is that she's in fact capable of breaking into this warehouse at this time; which in a much higher-level view means...
  6. Lanefan

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    The answer to the first question depends greatly on what the specific PCs can bring to bear on the situation. What they in fact did, after simple observation revealed nothing other than some timing elements, was summon two sets of creatures (3 summoned monsters [giant toads] and 3 summoned...
  7. Lanefan

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    100% still engaging with the game and story, only in a way you personally don't approve of.
  8. Lanefan

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    Exactly. One (later, two) survivors instead of zero. Works every time for me.
  9. Lanefan

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    They don't. It's that old trust thing again. So if you were DMing that scenario with the floating gem generating flashing lights each colour of which had different effects ranging from useful to deadly, assuming the PCs had no prior experience with or knowledge of such a thing, what if...
  10. Lanefan

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    It's ages since I read Moby Dick, I only remember the ending where they die together. It seemed to map fairly closely to a scene someone (you?) was positing as being a bad thing, where a PC kills her foe but then dies due to poison inflicted by said foe. I'm referring only to the scene in...
  11. Lanefan

    Toying with initiative - phased and segments

    At a quick glance, I like the "segment" version better, except I'd still have it be individual initiatives rather than side-based and with ties fully allowed. There also needs to be something in there about delaying one's action until-unless it makes sense, so for example an archer with higher...
  12. Lanefan

    Should PCs Be Exceptional?

    The "getting better at doing what they do" is the same as getting more powerful, isn't it? The answer there is to stretch out those lower levels to make them more relevant. I mean, I could be quite happy with a D&D game where they start at 0th and capstone at 6th or 7th.
  13. Lanefan

    Should PCs Be Exceptional?

    Fair enough. The question then becomes one of how big of a gap there is between levels 0 and 1, and-or whether level 0 is itself a step above 'typical commoner'. In 4e D&D, for example, that gap is huge. In 0e or even 1e D&D, the gap - while present - isn't nearly as wide.
  14. Lanefan

    Should PCs Be Exceptional?

    Pretty much same here. My question is, if you start at the end of the journey to exceptional, where do you go from there? Or is it a "this character goes to 11" situation?
  15. Lanefan

    Should PCs Be Exceptional?

    I've run the numbers for our games, and with a fair bit of data to go on I found that starting stat average has a rounding-error effect on projected career length (measured by adventures, I could do it by sessions but never have). I'm no statistician but I think the difference falls well within...
  16. Lanefan

    Should PCs Be Exceptional?

    Why would their generic stats be as low as 8-10 when the bell-curve average is 10.5? A character with 9s in five stats would need an 18 in the sixth stat just to reach the bell-curve average. As 18s are in theory supposed to be pretty rare, this makes no sense. I mean, 9-10-10-11-11-12 is a...
  17. Lanefan

    Should PCs Be Exceptional?

    Sarcasm aside, I want to, in effect, take something not all that far removed "mechanically" from my normal experience (at least when it starts out), play it in a completely different setting and milieu with different parameters, and see what happens. The personality etc., however, is likely to...
  18. Lanefan

    TSR Why would anyone want to play 1e?

    Could be a balance thing - Dwarves have quite a bit going for them including that they're tough (high Con), which would overwrite the great weakness of mages which is their frailty. I've run aground on this in my current campaign. I allowed Hobbit mages - Hobbits in my game also come with high...
  19. Lanefan

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    Except for the very many times when what makes the most sense is a continuation of the status quo, i.e. nothing happens, which isn't allowed by said rules. And right then is where the overarching question of rules-first or fiction-first rears its head.
  20. Lanefan

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    So if the established fiction has it that it's about 2 a.m., the house is dark and quiet, the PCs' prior casing of the place has shown there to be no watchdogs or pets, the weather is benign so no chance of sudden downpours or thunder etc., and the Thief blows his pick-locks roll on trying to...
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