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What? Where did you see that in the rules? Control weather isn't magic either. It just lets the player take over determining the local weather from the DM. LOL

Correct. In prior edition core rules this could only be accomplished with "magic". 4.0 has simply redefined the word. So, in 4.0, all characters have magic abilities, if viewed from prior editions.

Actually, no. Clerics & Druids have NEVER used spells due to using a a "mystical artform/science". Their magic was bestowed by their deity. What were you playing in '78

Like a player does something and "poof" they are healed? Or, a character does something and an enemy is "compelled" to behave in a certain way? Yep, magic.

Really? I've never had a cleric or druid that did that. A Storm Giant uses knowledge of, "a mystical artform/science" to breath water or throw lightning? In the MM it is a natural ability possessed by all Storm Giants. Maybe you should expand your definition to fit the reality of the game?

Redefining the word "Rose" changes not its scent. ;)

That's true. Now that all classes are actually magic users it loses something.

I was thinking about the seemingly eternal debate regarding hi/low magic campaigns. Playing from OD&D through 3.x (forget 4E as different game system altogether) we've seen the PC power curve steadily increased with each new rules set and "splat" book released. All that this particular trend...

Umm, no. The PCs could flee. The NPC could flee. They could parley. Both sides could take casualties and separate. Lot's of different scenarios are possible. I guess if the DM just sets the story and the PCs are "along for the ride" it would be this way...

Page 92 covers that exact point.

Sounds like your DM never read page 92 of the DMG... Random generation & placement of powerful items was a BIG no, no.

Or, one tome of clear thought...

See my post right above. 18 per level for an 18 int. There were 30 1st level spells, 24 per level up to 6th & 16 for 7th & 8th. There were only 12 9th level spells. So, overall it wasn't that big a deal unless you were running a low int MU.

Edit. You are correct. It was the int table max spells known. 18 int was 18. 19 int was "All".

No. There was no such limit per the PHB. Did you play with a DM who made a house rule?

Right, as in the example I gave. So, your plan wouldn't work unless your "plan" is to not get what you said you were going to wish for.

There's nothing to "circumvent". It is beyond the power of the spells description. The spell would either fizzle or, give something close like make one spell that is active permanent, if it is allowed to be made personally perm. That's about it.

Right, and yours isn't one of them. No, a wish won't exceed the listed limits of the spell. IF you try to wish it you'll either get an undesirable effect or a lesser (within the spell parameter) effect. So, your plan won't work.

Umm, you may want to reread the wish spell description. Not quite that powerful.

= cash And, based on the prices, logic would dictate having only a handful of small stores for an entire world. And, those based in cities the size of Ancient Rome or Constantinople...