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However, keeping up with the fighter and the rogue in the damage department, doesn't have to be ranger's raison d'etre. After all, there are "alternatives to fighting". Multiple hit dice makes the ranger more self sufficient and more affordable to a party that is short on healing. Disengage as a...

Do NPC's level as well (and how if they do)? And have you in your campaigns met any special NPC military formations like the Flaming Fist? Yeah, i think we agree on that one.

Pretty much so, yes. 3 or 4 (at most) subclasses should really be great and we already have 2 of those in the current PHB (the beast master maybe requiring some more work according to players that tried it). The UA latest 2d6 spell less variant is also a step in the right direction for the tough...

The one that substitutes spells for herbalism and poultices? The reasons why fighters work so well is because they follow the formula i mentioned above. The fighter archetypes cover almost all it's "target demographics". It should be the same with the ranger cause.... well, as we seamed to...

I'll take your word for it. To me personally the real "bachelor" degree doesn't start till the archetype level, but maybe it's my previous editions speaking here, as i am still quite new in 5E.

You are of course right. The casting is not the the ranger's MAJOR feature, it's half it's features. What "we" would like more is probably trading spellcasting for other goodies. As someone mentioned somewhere in the middle of this thread, the druid is the oter side of nature coin. As the...

I'm not sure. From a RPG aspect maybe. From a mechanical? Not so much. At best 1st level fighter could pull a 2:1 parity against the town militia stat wise (unless treated like minions). But the average soldier or bandit would be a good match. Not to mention local hedge mages and other casters...

This is a very good point. Too many people have too many favorite archetypes or ideas of what a ranger should be. Some like casters, other beast masters and some old timers like me, prefer the tough ones. Aside from the Unearthed Arcana alternate ranger (which is the first ranger i really like...

You guys really consider 1E, 2E, 3E and 5E adventurers to be equivalents of bachelor's degree in a field? Soo..... the town militia is like what? Post graduates? The bandits are doctors of science (equivalent)? And the regular army is composed of Nobel laureates? That just doesn't seam to make...

20th. It's the last feature you get.

The wording may seam a bit weird, but then again the fighter is the only class that gets extra attacks per level (the others just getting 2 attacks per turn at lvl 5).

It seams to get the job done......but rangers as squishies? I played with the idea of getting rogue levels for the basic ranger in E3.0 for a short while and i must admit it could be made to work, but the squishy aspect just killed it for me. I've always pictured them as the toughest guys...

That's almost identical to my justifier adaptation, without the poultices. I like it even better :)

Well spoke sir! Well spoken :D

Yeah, we had a neat discussion in that one :)

To quote good old 'Bones' McCoy ... "By God, man!" Why have you kept this hidden so far? I just love what they did to it in UA. If i had this 6 months ago, i would have played a ranger :D EDIT: you meant this one, right? http://dnd.wizards.com/articles/features/ranger

Yikes! Yep you are right LOL. Editing now :) :o

Ah, that's not what i meant by lost. Not in that set of rule, but in all the rules in general. When i think of 4E, the first thing i remember about the classes i played, is all the pages of power cards and all the fine details of their working :) As for the rest of the post, i think i now...

That could really work for an NPC, but how do you intend on making it work for a PC? Will it be a secondary character that would travel with the band, guard the camp and maintain the equipment?

I think you hit the spot with this one. Unfortunately, it's so easy to get lost and (as ironically as it seams) get railroaded in all those rules. Skill challenges rocked though! I was about to concede and then i saw this. Yeah, you are actually right. Which sure makes so interesting builds...