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It's more fun when you are more powerful than the other PCs. It's less fun when you are weaker than them. So balance is important. Of course, you can have 18 skeletons and still be weak. I.e. any damage your skeleton takes, you take instead. And they only have 10 AC and vulnerable to...

They officially changed it to a bonus action.

Just to toss out more ideas. Limit in combat actions by player actions. I.e. player uses their bonus action to move a skeleton, action to make it attack, reaction to make an opportunity attacks. Scaling to commanding 4 at once. Commanding them takes concentration, but they will just stand...

IMO, id your doing a full class, make it a generic Summoner class. You're going to need nearly all the same mechanics if your summoning undead horde or elemental swarm.

IMO, the spell is stronger if you have bodies. You don't want a campaign on a deserted island to completely remove all the features. Side question. Why human skeletons? Seems like animating undead ants would be easier.

Just to bullet point things I would want in an undead swarm Grapple Difficult terrain Moves slowly, not slowed by Grapple Low but unavoidable damage Size is based on HP/damage/spell slot Grows/heals over time, possibly as an action. Bonus HP/size if you include a corpse Experimental thinking...

Seems perfectly reasonable for a DM to allow Summon Undead Horde to push a rock. Same as any other summon. Which is probably a good reason to use a stat block instead of a zone that I initially suggested.

You got 1 skeleton by level 1 (which is less than 3rd). And your army grows every 2/3 levels after that. That was the post I quoted. Didn't see a way to get 10, but there's a few levels left.

Which is great if you don't have too many battles in a day. Sorcerer's are best against a few powerful enemies. Not so good against 6 battles a day containing 5 easy enemies each.

Warlock 1 can get you a skeleton familiar. Beastmaster 5, companion and summon beast spell. Battlesmith 3, construct Paladin 5, find steed Wizard 5, unseen servant, phantom steed. = that's 7 at once. Maybe Fathomless 3 to get a tentacle, not sure id you would count that or not.

So that's 1 person. Anyone else think there should be 10 individual creatures?

Who is this thread is "they"? Let them speak for themselves. If you want 10 individual skeletons, go ahead and like this post so we can get a count.

1 spell for utility. Warlocks can already get a skeletons as a familiar. Also I don't see any reason why the swarm can't shoot. Maybe as a higher level thing, a Necromancer subclass thing, or such.

i'm not sure that's true. They want an "army" to attack with, sure. And maybe a permanent undead servants. But unless i missed it, I still haven't seen anyone here say they want to roll for individual creatures. We had other spells already make similar changes and it passed first try...

Depends on how many targets you face per long rest.

IMO, that's more of a Warlock than a Necromancer. I realized the spell schools for those spells are "neceomancy", but i never got why they where categorized in the first place.

Those 2 aren't mutually exclusive. Perhaps not the same spell/feature. But easy enough to have both. I haven't heard anyone say they want to track individual things. Yes. Doesn't have to be the only thing they do. No. That's what a DM is for. No. Things have moved away from alignment...

I don't see how a subclass feature that buffs a spell is 4e style. Arcane Trickster had invisible mage hand since day 1. Or do you mean the horde-as-squares? Yea, kind of. But I'm not sure how else to say make a moveable wall.

Sounds more like Unseen Undead Servant. Which could be a level 3 Necromance feature. When you cast Unseen Servant, you can gain an undead instead. Casting it in this way increases it's Strength equal to your wizard level, and the distance it can be away from you by 10' per wizard level. that...

Attempt 2. More of a moveable wall thing. Summon Undead Horde Concentration, up to 10 minutes. You summon a horde of mindless undead. Choose an area on the ground made up of 10 5-foot-squares and is 5' high. Each square must be contiguous with another square. Any creature that starts it's...