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  1. FrogReaver

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    As long as there is something else you can do then why not?
  2. FrogReaver

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    Yes. Definitely you. I think a few others as well but it’s been a while and naming names doesn’t seem wise due to that.
  3. FrogReaver

    D&D General Chris Perkins and Jeremy Crawford Join Darrington Press

    I hope I’m not one of the ones eaten ;)
  4. FrogReaver

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    Sure but I think what we are trying to get to is what about those games make them designed for that. Why does that particular design work good for X and other designs work good for Y. Where X might be narrativism and Y simulation, or really anything else.
  5. FrogReaver

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    Something did happen. They learned one wrong answer and they will never guess that answer again. Thus the board state updated. I assume you mean anything more than gaining a tiny bit of information would have been fine?
  6. FrogReaver

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    In previous threads we’ve seen testimony that d&d can be played narrativisticly, albeit the system fights against you and I’ve stated that FitD’s Blades in the Dark didn’t feel extremely different to me than D&D. That’s at least some evidence that player interest trumps system, although system...
  7. FrogReaver

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    I like where this is going. One thing I might add is that while the gameplay may feel different depending on the resolution method chosen, what you are exploring/simulating/emulating shouldn’t be any different. Because the output of fiction is the focus of (probably) all RPG’s and not the method...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    If the point is that because you are not in character 100% of the time that anything not in character should be acceptable then that’s an illogical conclusion. Saying I dislike being out of character doesn’t imply there are no exceptions where you feel the benefits outweigh the costs or that...
  9. FrogReaver

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    My whole point was that it’s not just that one single word… If I start describing my preference as wanting ic-authentic play and your play as not providing the ic-authentic play I’m looking for, the reaction I’m going to get is someone really worked up and emotional. In fact the reaction in...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    But then you’ll eventually have an epiphany and find some instance where I tolerate player action harmful to IC- authenticity and we’ll be right back in this same pattern of what boils down to ‘just use better word to describe what you mean.’ Thus the problem doesn’t go away just because we use...
  11. FrogReaver

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    So I agree that the GM can metagame similar to what you describe. He is often encouraged to do just that. I think what most mean is that they are generally against player metagaming. Nor would showing an instance of them allowing a player metagaming mean they like player metagaming rather...
  12. FrogReaver

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    Hmmm, we very much believe he preferred 4e.
  13. FrogReaver

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    Yea. The consistent framing of the changes as big when praising it and not a big deal when answering criticism is certainly odd to me.
  14. FrogReaver

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    I think the most accurate explanation is that I’m just talking about what you said. But also, what you just did is classic deflection away from what you said and onto some accused personal characteristic of me. Awesome! Though playing or running a game doesn’t necessarily mean you like it...
  15. FrogReaver

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    Yea. IMO they are typically very flexible within a narrow band of parameters that align to the kind of game they like.
  16. FrogReaver

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    I don’t know whether you disagree that your statement directly implies a lack of satisfaction or that a lack of satisfaction directly implies a level of dislike.
  17. FrogReaver

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    I think most of the hobby is just not prescriptive about it.
  18. FrogReaver

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    It does. Edit: to elaborate - the connotation of the phrase ‘actually gives me what I wanted’ implies a lack of satisfaction with everything before that which gave you what you wanted and a lack of satisfaction implies a level of dislike.
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