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I don’t know how many times I have to say the representation/map of meaning/thing being simulated matters and not just the structure. You are solely focused on the mechanical structure.

Let’s focus on this aspect. How is the GM deciding the orcs are sneaking? Presumably he accounts from the already existing fiction that there is suitable terrain and lighting to do so, that the orcs have spotted the PCs (that is the PCs weren’t trying to be stealthy or if they were that they...

No issue with player rolls or dm rolls. I think I’ve been very clear about that. And here I thought we were talking about miss for half damage. That’s a different fictional outcome than miss for no damage. Miss has a semantic meaning. That is important. If Miss ceases to mean Miss then...

I’m not following this at all.

I think the key there is ‘for you’. Not for everyone.

There is no surprise roll. There was a stealth roll. Doesn’t sound like it. It’s the same for NPCs and PCs. The DM must establish the creature is trying to be stealthy and have it roll stealth. Then when combat is initiated there is no roll. If the creature wasn’t trying to be stealthy...

To clear the apparent confusion. There is a previously rolled stealth check that gets used to determine surprise but no rolls are occurring to determine surprise. Example. PC rolls a 15 on stealth long before combat starts. The PC is trying to sneak through hostile territory. Combat begins...

I think the question, what if the game you were playing did have a burglary skill. Would there be issues around that skill?

Ummm. You don’t roll to determine surprise in 5e at all. Like I’m not going to make fun of you for not knowing this. Some earlier versions of d&d had the surprise roll from my understanding.

Assuming it is just an ‘intricate countdown clock’, does being that preclude it from simulating something?

5e surprise is determined purely fictionally???

Fair enough. I assumed more nuance to you position than exists. That wasn’t on my bingo card. So what would you call a style where the GM creates the fictional world but doesn’t guide the fiction? Half GM driven?

The fireball can have save for half because it’s not calling that a miss. I’m not opposed to adding glancing blows that deal some damage in. I’m opposed to calling such things misses. On the same token I would call a glancing blow that doesn’t cause any damage a miss. So yea, glancing blow...

Well no. Not hitting the target number on the DC can mean whatever the game says. Calling that a miss when it’s really a glancing blow is the problem here in my estimation. It’s part of my general problem with narrativists ignoring the clear meaning of words and treating them like game terms...

I don’t have a problem with the dm changing dc based on who is doing the action though.

I think most are coupling the interpretative part into this. There is a difference or at least potentially so there. A miss entails something different than you are in the area so will be hit but can potentially maneuver to take less of the hit.

Okay. I’m not ready to commit but let’s explore this. Skill with thieves tools means both skill at picking locks and skill at being silent with them. Then we need some way to differentiate the possible outcomes of pick the lock only but make noise, stay silent while attempting to pick but don’t...

I think it’s also a problem if the failed lockpicking roll draws attention while the success does not. A separate stealth roll should ideally be employed to determine the noise. I’m interested in this part. I’ve been under the impression that all sim play was to some degree about an...

That doesn’t appear to align with your other statement. I think maybe reframe what you mean as your current explanations are leading to confusion and I don’t think it’s just me.

How there was a complication determined matters (this is the heart of sim play). We aren’t opposed to the general notion of cooks being in houses. We aren’t opposed to the general notion of sounds drawing the cooks attention. But if your lockpicking check as opposed to your stealth check causes...