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  1. Fanaelialae

    D&D General What does the mundane high level fighter look like? [+]

    Devastating Strike If you only make one attack on a turn, deal +[W] damage for each Extra Attack you have. I'm using the 4e parlance for simplicity. Basically, if the fighter could make 3 attacks with a longbow normally, they could instead make a single attack for 3d8 damage. This isn't...
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    D&D 5E (2014) Should martial characters be mundane or supernatural?

    PHB 72 (emphasis mine) Extra Attack Beginning at 5th level, you can attack twice, instead of once, whenever you take an attack action on your turn. A readied action is typically triggered on another creature's turn, not your own. So extra attack doesn't apply. If you don't play it that way...
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    D&D 5E (2014) Should martial characters be mundane or supernatural?

    I'm on the fence about it. I kind of think there ought to be some means of counterspelling, but I also think the Counterspell is simultaneously too broad and too niche a spell. When it's applicable, it's basically your best option, and when it's not, it's utterly useless. The closest I've come...
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    D&D 5E (2014) Should martial characters be mundane or supernatural?

    The wizard focusing exclusively on fire spells is a super edge case. Wizards get plenty of spells, and t is not hard for a high level wizard to slot in one spell of a differing damage type (or even a control spell, which tend to be stronger anyway) so that if you encounter something fire immune...
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    D&D 5E (2014) Should martial characters be mundane or supernatural?

    What were those enemies, that the high level wizard was ill equipped to deal with, exactly? Did the wizard have to face them regularly? Might they be an edge case? There are plenty of creatures in the higher CRs with flight, and/or abilities that can only be countered by magic.
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    D&D 5E (2014) Should martial characters be mundane or supernatural?

    Have you ever seen a high level martial that isn't well suited to dealing with flying enemies? Have you ever seen a high level martial that doesn't have easy access to remove curse for dealing with mummy rot and similar effects?
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    D&D 5E (2014) Should martial characters be mundane or supernatural?

    Those are 2 completely different things as far as I'm concerned. I've rarely seen an anti-magic zone in my many years of playing. Most campaigns have exactly zero. I've regularly seen plenty of flying, or resistant/immune creatures, as well as creatures with abilities that can only be dealt...
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    D&D 5E (2014) Should martial characters be mundane or supernatural?

    Sure, you can't run faster than a human can run while in your car, but you can certainly move faster. I'm looking at it from the perspective of the end result. If you don't want to think of a magic item using fighter as supernatural, that's fine. However, let's consider an explicitly...
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    D&D 5E (2014) Should martial characters be mundane or supernatural?

    That has not been my experience. This is assuming a strength based fighter (as I've said, Dex based martials don't run up against these issues nearly as often). Typically, you won't invest heavily into Dexterity, due to heavy armor proficiency, so you're probably around a 12 in Dexterity...
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    D&D 5E (2014) Should martial characters be mundane or supernatural?

    This is based on experience. I ran a campaign for a martial party (one of them was a shadow monk). I gave them plenty of magic items, and even some artifacts. Even with all that, I felt that I needed to add an NPC cleric to the party, because it was really constraining my adventure design. I...
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    D&D 5E (2014) Should martial characters be mundane or supernatural?

    I said that it would be a challenging fight for casters with no magic items, but a winnable one. Not a guaranteed win. Beatable. Whereas for martials with no magic items, it's pretty much a guaranteed loss without fiat (a conveniently placed cliff for them to shove the creature over, for...
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    D&D 5E (2014) Should martial characters be mundane or supernatural?

    A caster party can certainly defeat a Rakshasa. The Rakshasa can't be directly affected by spells below 7th level, it's true. That doesn't mean you can't summon monsters to beat it to death. You could trap it behind a Wall of Force or a Forcecage. You could teleport away from it. Heck, given...
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    D&D 5E (2014) Should martial characters be mundane or supernatural?

    I realize that's not your intent, but you're pretty much proving my point. You might not think it means much. I seriously disagree.
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    D&D 5E (2014) Should martial characters be mundane or supernatural?

    Let's look at an all martial party. A 20th level battle master fighter, samurai fighter, berserker barbarian, and assassin rogue. No magic items. How do they take down a Demilich (CR18, which should be an easy encounter)? It's immune to non-magical weapons. CR4 Coatls could give them trouble...
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    D&D 5E (2014) Should martial characters be mundane or supernatural?

    Sure, but I already said in a previous post that I think that high level martials (T3+) ought to be supernatural. That doesn't necessarily mean they need to be inherently supernatural. The traditional fighter is kind of like Iron Man, where their power comes from their gear (I would prefer...
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    D&D 5E (2014) Should martial characters be mundane or supernatural?

    I said that if the wizard is casting Wish or True Polymorph, the fighter needs something to be on the same playing field. As I explained, the implicit intent was that of equivalent impact. Also, it was implicit that if you don't care about equivalence, then they don't need that something...
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    D&D 5E (2014) Should martial characters be mundane or supernatural?

    My intent is an equivalent impact, not perfect parity. I'm not suggesting that a high level fighter should cast Wish. But yes, I do think that classes should have an equivalent impact across all levels. IMO, Bob being able to attack slightly faster, while Joe is reshaping reality isn't even...
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    D&D 5E (2014) Should martial characters be mundane or supernatural?

    They do tell us so in 5e. Unless I'm misremembering, it basically just says that spells don't work in anti-magic zones. If a dragon's ability to fly ought to be impeded the zone, it would say so. Much like you can't force a dragon to land by casting dispel magic. IMCs creatures like elementals...
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    D&D 5E (2014) Should martial characters be mundane or supernatural?

    That would be fine if casters had to earn their spells the same way. Although I don't particularly like this solution because it assumes the DM will include both spells and martial items in treasure to an equivalent degree. If, for example, you have a DM who rewards plenty of martial magic items...
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