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People also choose to go along with the pressure to do otherwise at least as often. That's what the dice are for.

D&D is just not the game to mechanically enforce that. Got to rely on the social contractand session 0.

Seems a little reductive. It's not like the GM is seizing control of the PCs left and right in any of these games.

Entertaining though. Big fan of House here.

No one says that, but I must admit I sometimes get that impression.

They did it back in the 3e days, with Dragonlance, Ravenloft, and L5R (which they owned at the time), to name a few.

WotC to my mind seems to have picked the biggest one and ran with it.

I don't recall anyone identifying the whole conversation in that manner. If you want to control a group of creatures in the way I'm describing, it's a more complicated class that requires more attention. It's not a simple proposition, and that IMO should be ok. Just make that clear in the book.

Ok. While I don't personally see the problem (at least at that level of action), if you do there are plenty of techniques that can be used to handle controlling multiple creatures more efficiently. You know who uses them all the time? The GM. The information is out there.

Then why are we seeing these terms attempting to be applied to other games? I said above if they stay in their lane it's no problem. But they don't, and confusion results.

Consistent profit.

It is every player and GMs responsibility IMO to make an effort to understand the rules of the game they're playing. Obviously they should receive as help and support in this task as they want to accept, but I think they still need to try.

I have made it clear that what WotC wants to do is not my concern. The claim was it isn't designable. I disagree. And everything that gets done in play should give a nod to the goals of play at that table and the social contract. Neither of which are the same across the community.

Exactly how complicated are the actions skeletons can reasonably take anyway? Heck, there are plenty of versions of D&D that use henchmen and hirelings. Should they be abstracted into a swarm statblock?

First if all, what does RTFM mean? Secondly, MHP explicitly added a sidebar explaining that the breaks they put on minion numbers can be released at the discretion of the DM if desired, and what that might lead to. In other words, they put it in the hands of the table rather than force the...

I guess my issue is the ironclad assumption some seem to have that these issues are unavoidable without severe mechanical restrictions. Why can't you just put the rules out there are provide advice and, if needed, warnings about possible issues? As I've said,Mage Hand Press did this with their...

So, straight gamist/balance concerns then? Important, but not my highest priority.

I could be down with that, as an option.

Video games are the kings of " this mechanic does this specific thing and no more". They're the ones with tunnel vision here. This doesn't help from my perspective. Why would any given walking corpse be incapable of more than one thing? It could be that way, but it doesn't have to be. Why can't...

I'm with you, if by that you mean that terms in specific games should stay in their game (or in similar games using g them in the same way).